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you know I'm entitled to that and and so

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what and and I really mean this what a

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been amazing this week just amazing and

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they're amazing every week I get that

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because I do the shows with you I'm

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learning with you don't forget that and

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just what a week this week and so Freddy

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Silva Monday last night Nick Pope of

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course tonight Jason Louvre and between

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everything that went down this week

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tonight it's gonna blow your mind it's

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gonna blow your mind and and like I said

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it's a way to cap off the week before we

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head into Fator night I gotta go live

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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that a flying death -

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found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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game game changer I occasionally think

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how quickly our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat from outside this way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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and kg RA the global rain

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I need your help to get to the year

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you listen to fade to black with Jimmy

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judge on the game change in that word

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all right welcome fade to black

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this spoke radio for the masses yeah man

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yeah tonight it's Wednesday May 9th 2018

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129 days into the new year just 236 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in downtown Burbank California and I

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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tiddler to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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planets

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I'm your host Amy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing good

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tonight it's gonna be one of those shows

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they're on tidak I guarantee I do

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tonight very special guest Jason Liu is

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here and we'll talk about his explosive

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new book John D and the Empire of Angels

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an akheon magic and the occult roots of

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the modern world yeah and it is all that

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- the title the title just it gives you

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a glimpse of what this book is all about

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I've got it right here

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boom weighs about 15 pounds by the way I

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was talking to Jason Potter it's a

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well printed the illustrations are

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hour and I know we're gonna run out of

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tonight Jason Lou is here tomorrow night

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is another Fator night not just another

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Fator night because tomorrow night we're

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there's no more fake newsroom live and

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how did how did we manage to put this

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what we're doing next week and I don't

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she's got planned but apparently she

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wants to outdo herself but what a week

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this week on fader block you can follow

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you for all the dancing gifts you guys

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every night and you know that's oh man

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the Great Escape Steve McQueen over the

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sandbox where everybody hangs out and I

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say to each night but you've got to come

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hang out with this hashtag f2 B is the

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news actually North Korea pulled the

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trigger today not now and now it's

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men Kim dong-chul Kim hack song and Tony

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news and then a North Korean emissary

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airspace Pompeo called president Trump

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families that's a holy crap moment right

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there and they are on their way home I

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similar to you know President Trump

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asked for the release and so we did it

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the progress going on with North Korea

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wouldn't want to look like we were going

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there to meet Kim jong-un all right you

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want you want Kim to leave the country

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too as well they you know you've got to

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go in me I think that's the way it

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should be and it's for both sides that

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kind of symbol of effort right okay so

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the big summit that should be next and

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stellar in the next I'm announced this

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last night in the next 24-48 hours or so

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I've got a big release coming on on

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stellar and you can certainly go on

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register now you can go to alpha dot on

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stellar dot-com you can go and you can

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register and get going today I

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registered an old co-worker of mine a

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friend of mine Don and it was just so

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fun to have him register with such ease

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and he got right on and started doing

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this thing it was pretty cool pretty

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cool so it's ready to go but these

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excuse me these changes that we are

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doing you're gonna have a news feed

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that's just about ready to go you know

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some more security stuff has been

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addressed registration is being

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addressed and how you register and how

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you do your password and things so all

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of that is is being addressed and then

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the news feed and then we got a couple

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of sneak features that I just

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everybody's been asking for the news

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feed so I'm just letting you know it's

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Priority One it's ready we just need to

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make sure that it's ready but it's ready

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so that'll be in the next 24 to 48 hours

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and what we will do both an email and

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you'll get a notification and an article

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posted right there and on stellar

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announcing it okay so that is here so go

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and register get ready you can use the

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promo code Jimmy if you use the promo

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code Jimmy you don't have to but if you

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use the promo code Jimmy you will get 15

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bonus tokens right so when you sign up

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down stellar you get 10 stellar tokens

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on stellar tokens and that'll be right

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there in your wallet but if you use the

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promo code Jimmy you get 15 extra you're

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gonna have 25 there yep okay just to let

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you know my wallet says 10 Rida use my

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promo code

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she's got board tokens than I do so go

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get your tokens go get signed up right

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now it's faster cool or better wallets

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tokens everything is there we'll be

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introducing the blockchain as soon as we

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can we'll be jumping into beta here and

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there you go

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there are literally thousands and

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thousands of people on on stellar right

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now as I speak and if I I said last

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night just uh sent me a message send me

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a message on on stellar and and I'll

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respond to it and I got flooded it was

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just so funny so I'm gonna do it again

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tonight alright if you're on on stellar

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right now shoot me a message to a home 1

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2 3 4 5 you guys are crazy I'll do it

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I'll respond to every single message you

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might have to wait during the break for

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most of those but I'm stellar is just

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amazing you do want to go and check out

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what everybody is doing look at you guys

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yep I'll name yellow right now Andrew

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Tom do mark hello and the ones that are

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underneath there I can't get to it I

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don't want to close these out let's see

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let's see who's over I can't keep up

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Karen I can't I can't roll into these ok

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so anyway I'll respond to everybody and

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say hello

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they're on stellar okay alpha dot on

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stellar dot-com all right now some other

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big news I just want to let you guys

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know that the e SETI the sole tech

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gathering that we are doing up there is

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going to be incredible and it's going on

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in August right after contact in the

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desert and go and sign up today this is

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how it went down and it was just one of

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those conversations so you know I'm

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talking to Cory good about you know II

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said II and how cool it is and he's like

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van you know you know I want to go to e

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city I said do you yeah man you know one

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of those things really you want to go

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yeah all right come on so Cory good is

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gonna be with us as our guest up at ESET

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e so there you go that'll be a Friday

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and Saturday up at he said he's gonna be

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hanging out as one of you a friend just

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hanging out up at he said he and and he

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just wants to go and he wants to hang

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out and meet all of the fader knots he's

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probably gonna weasel his way unto a

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couple of stages there and interrupt

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things and and say hello to everybody

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but he's going to be there to hang out

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and have conversations with everybody

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and also can you imagine this is what's

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really cool is can't I cannot wait for

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the sky watch at the Field of Dreams on

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Friday night with Cory because you never

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know what might happen right right

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are you with me on this so there you go

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go and get your tickets and info we're

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only selling 300 for the fader nods but

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I just thought it would be really fun to

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have Cory come and hang out with all of

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you and make it special and I was

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thinking about just surprising everybody

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with it but I just you know what I want

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to share that conversation that we had

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today about it so that's it the cats out

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of the bag come and hang out with us up

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in D city ranch

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August 9th through the 12th Sol tech

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gathering

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calm our next events coming up at two

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weeks two weeks June 1st through the

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four three weeks two weeks two and a

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half weeks June 1st through the 4th 2018

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contact in the desert Indian Wells Palm

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Springs at the Renaissance Resort & Spa

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we got our new booth designed we're done

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with that I can't wait for everybody to

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see it on stellar is going to be there

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with this so is stillness in the storm

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and modern masters we're going to have a

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big footprint all together right there

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in the center so come and hang out with

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this I mean everybody's going to be

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there

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you know John John and Dana for modern

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masters right just in stillness of the

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storm Theresa yeah everybody's going to

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be there so that that'll be the general

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meeting point for everybody we're gonna

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have a lot of the speakers and leaders

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that are with on stellar and of course

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fade to black stopping by and meeting

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everybody and you know taking pictures

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and and hanging out okay so that's June

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1st through the 4th contact in the

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desert all right where am I at don't

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there you go let's get our show crackin

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I wanted to jump ahead right now into

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something that is important for me to

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talk about I want to make sure that I

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just in case if you haven't already

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figured it out

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yep Facebook owns the part that Google

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lets them I'm not casting about these

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words around willy-nilly all right

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listen listen to what Uncle Jimmy has to

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say let me throw some numbers out at you

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as of February 2018 Chrome February 2018

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or - I'm sorry as of yet February 2018

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which is I was just looking at the

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calendar

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today's May 9th right three months ago

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as in February 2018 Chrome is seventy

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seven point nine percent of the world

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market ten years ago in 2008 what was it

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well I'm glad you asked they only had

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three point six percent back in O eight

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Internet Explorer and Firefox had ninety

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percent of the market and they split it

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down the middle 45 percent each with

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chrome at 3.6 percent today today

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Internet Explorer is down to four point

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one percent

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tell me Microsoft isn't freaking out

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Firefox is hanging in there with eleven

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Safari as of today

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is still the same 3.3% and that they

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were back in 2008 no change

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they have been a rock steady 3% every

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month for 10 straight years never made

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it to three point four by the way I

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never really went down to two point nine

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it's just 3% that's interesting isn't it

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if the trend continues chrome will have

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over 90% of the entire internet

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worldwide next year you need to wrap

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Google is the number one site in the

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world has been for many years no

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surprise and it's not going to change

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anytime soon if ever

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number two is YouTube of course owned by

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Google we're height now let's start to

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throw some stuff around Google the

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number one site used before and after

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searching what

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YouTube YouTube one feeds the other now

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you have to understand what I am

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suggesting here well it's fact but I

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want you to understand what I am

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suggesting Google is number one number

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two is YouTube so YouTube sits there and

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the number one site that everybody is at

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before they go to YouTube is Google the

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number one site after that after YouTube

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is Google do you understand

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think about it they've really got it

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figured out it's very very profitable

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one feeds the other a vicious vicious

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circle

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think about it you want to see something

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you search google youtube link pops up

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you'd click on that let me see something

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in the video and then you go back and

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you search google and then he'd find

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another video and then you go back to

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YouTube it's perfection today Google has

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over 90% share of mobile devices not in

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by the end of 2017 just five months ago

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forty six point eight percent of the

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world's population access the Internet

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of that Google owns ninety percent from

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every angle from searching to

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advertising and of course entertainment

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with YouTube of the top 20 search words

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worldwide the top 20 search words

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worldwide all of them wait for it all of

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them were done on Google the crumbs are

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thrown to the Almighty Facebook with 2.5

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billion users which is big it's really

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big I talk about it all the time

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but there's still 1 billion behind

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Google there 1 billion behind YouTube

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you need to understand what is really

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going on here the two sites used before

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and after Facebook you guessed it Google

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you tube the two sites after visiting

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Facebook our Google and YouTube video is

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in Facebook we know that it's obvious

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and it's YouTube of course sure but it's

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all done by design you do it because

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it's easy but it's all done to have

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control of every aspect of everything

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your habits your life and of course

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getting to your wallet this clicking

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cycle is done by everyone on the net now

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before you ask yourself yeah yeah I

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believe it I believe it I'd done it I

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haven't done it myself I I did it

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earlier today and I and that's what

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you're saying right now that right those

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words just went through your head

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well you and virtually everybody else on

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the entire planet did everyone every

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single person with access to the net one

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way or another on this planet visited

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Google and YouTube and did a drive-by on

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Facebook and use the Chrome browser

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while doing it think about the impact of

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these words it is a total global

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domination when I started talking about

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Facebook when right before zux went into

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Washington did his testimony those

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couple of days and you start to

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understand the numbers that I was

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throwing around two and a half billion

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users there's only 7 7 and 1/2 billion

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people on this planet how is it possible

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that a social media network

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could have that kind of monopoly and

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domination of your life and their goal

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is to make sure that you stay on that

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platform all day long it's the first

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thing you do you when you wake up and

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it's the last thing you do when you go

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to bed and you do it all day long

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Zuckerberg genome and we're not you know

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we don't do that you know no dopamine

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triggers man it it's it's not about that

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you know it's about the community you

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know now when you look at what YouTube

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who is a head of Facebook by a billion

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and Google who is right there and Google

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owns the two and they are both wrapped

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up around Facebook the same ads the same

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triggering the same data mining

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everything is flown back and forth and

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in between each other and it's done to

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do one thing and that is to dominate

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your life the numbers the numbers the

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real numbers as I started to peel this

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apart today some of them are frightening

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Google Google are you ready for this

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Google and the numbers are they've

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they've gone up so much they've gone up

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so much that nobody can really get I

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watched a Google ticker today a live

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ticker on who is searching keywords

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right now and you've never seen anything

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move this fast in your life right are

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you ready 1 million searches per minute

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think about that

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last year 500,000 10 years ago Google 50

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50 thousand today think a million a

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minute and how many minutes are in a day

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you do the math well it's turning out

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the numbers between three and a half and

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four and a half billion searches a day

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and they're solely three and a half

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billion users of the Internet

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it's scary so if you don't think that

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Google owns this planet and what is left

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is owned by Facebook in between between

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the two of them they reach out and touch

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everybody perfection they pulled it off

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ten years

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this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight Jason

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Louvre his book John D and the Empire of

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Angels is incredible we're gonna discuss

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that tonight and a whole lot more and I

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can already tell you're gonna make these

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requests this isn't the first night that

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Jason is going to be on this show we've

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got to do a part one two three and four

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tonight's part one I'm you know Jimmy

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Church follow me on twitter IG Church

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radio you can follow Jason Louv at

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jasonlew the links are up in Twitter

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I'll be right back stay with us

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy's Church

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all right welcome back fade to black

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Camille shimmy Church tonight Jason Lube

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Nick Pope in here to man the phones with

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me and take your phone calls all night

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so that'll be a lot of fun Jon Rappoport

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is going to be here too tomorrow night

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where there's no more fake newsroom live

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and I open lines so please join us for

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that tonight it's Jason loop I'm very

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excited about the show he is the author

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of eight books including the one we're

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gonna discuss tonight John D in the

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Empire of Angels also generates in hex

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the psychic Bible and as a journalist he

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has covered surveillance international

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trade and the dark side of technology

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for vice news Boeing Boeing motherboard

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and many more and as a futurist and a

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strategist he has worked on Buzz

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Aldrin's international campaign to

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colonize Mars Google's artificial

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intelligence program and in many more

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strange and wonderful places he lives

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right here in Los Angeles fact he's a

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neighbor of ours and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black

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are you ready Jason Liu Jason good

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evening how are you hey Jimmy what's up

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man yeah great oh man okay

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be a dude calm down yeah we do man we do

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and before we get started this won't be

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the last time that you're on fade to

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black but it is the first time so you

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get the first time guest disclaimer

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which is it's just you and I sitting on

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my couch having a conversation as

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friends and where the conversation

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starts it starts where it ends it ends

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but we're gonna end as friends you ready

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sounds good you know I don't know

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normally I'm geared up and ready to go

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this book is incredible and there are

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hundred directions that we can go into

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to kick off the discussion of this book

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so before we do that where did your

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interest start in the subject I have

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seen and read a lot of your stuff and

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you cover so much material but something

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happened in your life everything was

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normal and then you took a left or right

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hand turn what happened what happened

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well yeah it's been about over two

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decades now since I first started

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getting interested in magic and the

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occult and there's a lot of there's a

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lot of angles on that there's a lot of

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reasons why and I think anyone who's

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into this stuff will tell you that it

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just kind of happens it comes out of a

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blue and sideswipes you as it were and

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that kind of jumps you and that seems to

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be what happens with this stuff people

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get fascinated with it but for me it was

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frankly just growing up and not being

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satisfied as I think probably most you

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know most people are just not being

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satisfied with the answers that I was

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getting about what reality is about what

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my potential was as a person about what

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humans were capable of and seeing that

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the universe is infinite and vast and

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full of mystery but all the people are

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not all but many of the people around me

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or content to you know the most mystery

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they had a you know in their life was

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you know what was the special gonna be

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at Applebee's on Friday right and and I

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knew there was there had to be more and

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and but you know what to be honest when

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I first started getting into this stuff

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I was very skeptical very almost cynical

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about it and to be to be totally honest

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I started to get into the stuff because

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I wanted to disprove it and what

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happened was exactly the opposite and

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that started a you know a life path for

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me if you will a quest where you know

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I've spent twenty years investigating

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every angle of you know shamanism or

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esoteric spirituality or system for

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engaging with the deeper parts of

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reality or the deeper part of the human

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consciousness

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and it's just it's been my life because

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there's so much there there's so much on

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offer not just in in our culture but it

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you know that it's been hidden in our

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culture right and kept secret but in

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other cultures it's out in the open and

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so it's just it's just become a lifelong

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adventure for me yeah and you write

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about that in the book too and and I and

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I like your approach to that again we'll

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visit that in a second but I I do agree

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with you that for me I thought UFOs and

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aliens were is which I really enjoyed

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and I studied it growing up but I

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thought that that was enough

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and then I'll remember thirty years ago

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somebody mentioning the mystery schools

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and I was like okay I'm going right

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there I'm going right there whatever

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that means I need to and it started to

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open up these doors but you have to be

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skeptical if you go into this not you

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know with the general dose of skepticism

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and then you're gonna go down roads that

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you don't need to go down and and

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believe some stuff that you don't need

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to put your beliefs into and and and

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this world is full of that and certainly

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the mystery schools in lost history and

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ancient history has proven that to his

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time and time again hasn't it absolutely

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and and I and in my books constantly

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urge people to take a skeptical attitude

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towards this stuff I think the people

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00:41:23,050 --> 00:41:19,650
should investigate this with all of the

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cognitive tools of critical thinking and

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scientific thinking and unfortunately

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it's not even that people don't do that

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with this subject but they don't do it

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with a lot of subjects in life in

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general but yeah you know I think that

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you have to you have to walk a narrow a

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very narrow road with this stuff because

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if you fall too far on one side you fall

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into believing stuff that's not true and

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then if you fall too far on the other

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side then you just shut down to any you

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know other possibilities of life and you

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miss out on the whole spiritual side of

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life

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you may not have any friends to you

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can't do that ain't neither direction

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the extremes I mean totally well you

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know I like what you just said about

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belief about about what we have we have

764
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to be careful what we put our belief

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into because one of the conclusions I've

766
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really come to in my life is that you

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know the phrase I use is belief is the

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currency we spend to make things real

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you know and I also think it you know

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our belief when we put our belief and

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our attention on things we make them

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00:42:32,189 --> 00:42:30,430
real at least for ourselves we bring

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them into our life we make them into an

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object of focus and then that determines

775
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the quality of our life so I think that

776
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one of the great gifts of spirituality

777
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and magic if you will if you want to use

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that word is learning that coming to

779
00:42:50,609 --> 00:42:48,279
that understanding that you're in

780
00:42:52,499 --> 00:42:50,619
control you're in charge of what you

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00:42:54,539 --> 00:42:52,509
invest your attention and belief in

782
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whether it's something supernatural or

783
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:56,439
something totally mundane but you're in

784
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the driver's seat of your life and

785
00:43:01,410 --> 00:42:59,140
that's one of the great you know

786
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messages of the the mystery teachings

787
00:43:04,919 --> 00:43:03,069
you know that's the great mystery who's

788
00:43:08,249 --> 00:43:04,929
who's driving the car well you are of

789
00:43:11,969 --> 00:43:08,259
course well there's you bring up a one

790
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:11,979
point in the book that really opened up

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00:43:17,969 --> 00:43:15,420
my eyes and I knew this but you and I'm

792
00:43:19,919 --> 00:43:17,979
everybody's like okay what's what did he

793
00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:19,929
say Jimmy well let me just preempt it

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with this the way that you presented it

795
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it allowed me to understand it much more

796
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:30,789
and so I'm gonna paraphrase but I want

797
00:43:38,579 --> 00:43:33,579
you to expand on how you put this

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00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:38,589
thought together which is this today if

799
00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:40,839
somebody says that they are channeling

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or that they are in contact or they have

801
00:43:50,459 --> 00:43:47,469
a spirit being or an angel or whatever

802
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:50,469
it's nothing but ridicule well I mean

803
00:44:00,329 --> 00:43:55,630
from from from the masses but we put all

804
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,339
of you know nearly all of the world one

805
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:03,660
way or another has religious beliefs and

806
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:05,770
with

807
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:16,180
Jews and the Jewish faith all channeled

808
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the information that is in those books

809
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:24,130
and we accept that as as as as Dogma

810
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right and and were okay with that but

811
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:28,780
we're not okay with somebody's that says

812
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:31,030
today I'm you know I'm channeling or I'm

813
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:32,430
speaking to somebody on the other side

814
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:35,580
you can't have it both ways but yet

815
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:38,470
we're forced to have it both ways

816
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:40,120
where did you come up with that thought

817
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,900
process well yeah I mean it's it's real

818
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:46,480
it's crazy right I mean if you take just

819
00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:48,520
just the big three right Christianity

820
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:52,060
Islam and Judaism right all of these

821
00:44:58,020 --> 00:44:55,510
religions claim to at least in part have

822
00:45:00,480 --> 00:44:58,030
channeled their the source of the

823
00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:00,490
religion from angels not just any old

824
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:02,140
being but angels specifically although

825
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:03,820
actually Christianity is the least

826
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:05,770
Channel the religion because outside of

827
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:08,440
the revelation revelation is Channel but

828
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:10,270
of course the Gospels are at least

829
00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:12,130
purport to be first-hand accounts of an

830
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:14,440
actual person giving teaching but of

831
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,420
course Judaism comes you know the source

832
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,880
of that the primary source of Judaism is

833
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:21,280
Moses talking to God on in the burning

834
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:22,990
bush and you know channeling the Ten

835
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:26,230
Commandments right and Islam was at

836
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:28,060
least allegedly delivered by the

837
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,270
Archangel Gabriel to in a channel the

838
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:33,520
text the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad

839
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:36,310
in a cave right and so but if you put

840
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:37,480
all this through those three religion

841
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:39,010
religions together yeah I mean we're

842
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,260
talking about 61% of the planet and then

843
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:43,440
certainly we got a throw in Salt Lake

844
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:49,030
okay yeah three now if we take all the

845
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:50,320
other religions it's almost the whole

846
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:51,910
planet right right right right I just

847
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:53,590
didn't want to leave out you know Salt

848
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,240
Lake we got a you know let them get

849
00:46:00,570 --> 00:45:57,760
represented but it's it's so true though

850
00:46:04,830 --> 00:46:00,580
and and the way that you wrote I had to

851
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:04,840
sit back and go okay and then we have

852
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:10,990
John D which again here we have somebody

853
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:14,410
that well we'll get into who John D is

854
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:17,800
in a second but in his background but

855
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:19,510
John D did

856
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:23,290
just that and he got ripped apart about

857
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:27,000
it and he had the greatest CV write

858
00:46:33,110 --> 00:46:30,790
resume before that and then suddenly and

859
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:33,120
it's it's like it's not okay

860
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:37,240
well absolutely and well I do want to

861
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:39,460
put a counterpoint to that which is that

862
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:43,690
I think that it's perhaps good that you

863
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:46,570
know for our culture that we've adopted

864
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,670
such a materialist rationalist

865
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,560
scientific focus because you know the

866
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:52,480
birth of science which by the way John D

867
00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:54,790
is also responsible for I see the birth

868
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:56,020
of science as one of the crowning

869
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:58,330
achievements of humanity and and

870
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:00,370
liberated Humanity in many ways from

871
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:03,910
believing and superstition and fear but

872
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:07,000
that said yeah when we realized that so

873
00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:08,950
much of the world derives their beliefs

874
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:11,020
from what they at least believed to be

875
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:13,030
channeled writings whether you

876
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:14,980
personally believe that or not and

877
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:16,990
personally I'm agnostic on it but

878
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:19,780
whether whether or not you believe those

879
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:22,090
are valid or not you have to understand

880
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:25,690
that this is how so many human beats so

881
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,310
many of our fellow human beings on this

882
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:29,560
planet have constructed their belief

883
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:31,570
system so we can't even begin to

884
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:34,420
approach understanding the cultures of

885
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:36,970
the world without at least giving them

886
00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:39,180
enough respect to take their beliefs

887
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:42,070
seriously as they present them on their

888
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:44,380
own terms at least to the point where we

889
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:45,880
can have an honest and respectful

890
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:48,430
conversation about it and not you know

891
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:50,260
just reject their beliefs out of hand

892
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:52,420
because otherwise we're talking across

893
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:53,710
purposes with each other

894
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,050
so that's my feeling on it I don't think

895
00:47:59,790 --> 00:47:57,520
that we can fully understand world

896
00:48:02,730 --> 00:47:59,800
cultures without understanding their

897
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:02,740
beliefs but in terms of John Dee this is

898
00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:05,230
a fascinating John Dee really stands at

899
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:07,780
the crossroads of magic and science and

900
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,370
that's one of the reasons that he's so

901
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:11,920
fascinating in that as you said he had

902
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:15,790
this amazing CV where he was the

903
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:18,310
scientific and astrological adviser to

904
00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:21,010
Elizabeth the first he was responsible

905
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:22,900
in part for creating the English

906
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:25,060
intelligence services he's the guy who

907
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:26,890
came up with the phrase the British

908
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:28,780
Empire he coined that phrase or actually

909
00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:30,490
he said an angel delivered delivered

910
00:48:34,180 --> 00:48:31,820
that phrase day I'm gonna

911
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:34,190
in an occult ritual but he laid out the

912
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:36,650
naval schematics that were necessary to

913
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:39,410
create the British Empire he was the

914
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:41,330
person who brought mathematics higher

915
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,610
mathematics geometry to the British

916
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,680
public for the first time by introducing

917
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:47,480
Euclid's elements for the first time in

918
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:50,450
English he developed all kinds of optics

919
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,180
and and astronomy theories and on and on

920
00:48:58,420 --> 00:48:55,550
and on and on he was really the Stephen

921
00:49:00,610 --> 00:48:58,430
Hawking of his day and or perhaps the da

922
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:00,620
Vinci he was a true renaissance man yeah

923
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:04,130
and y'know I'm doing age of 50 and you

924
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:05,750
know after Lee at age of about fifty

925
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:09,080
right he decided to dedicate almost all

926
00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:11,930
of his time to attempting to contact

927
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:14,740
angels in occult rituals which he did

928
00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:18,260
you know non-stop every day for 10 years

929
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:21,320
and it would be comparable to for

930
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:23,750
instance in our time period if Stephen

931
00:49:28,210 --> 00:49:26,390
Hawking at the age of 50 had said you

932
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:28,220
know I'm really happy that I'm the most

933
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:29,810
recognized science scientist in the

934
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:31,970
world and everyone respects me and I

935
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:33,980
have the ears of the leaders of the free

936
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,510
world and all this but you know what I'm

937
00:49:39,850 --> 00:49:37,760
gonna dedicate the next 10 years of my

938
00:49:42,490 --> 00:49:39,860
life to taking DMT and trying to talk to

939
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:42,500
a linguist you know it would have been

940
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:45,470
like that I think you left off the best

941
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,520
part of his CV though he was the

942
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:52,960
original James Bond how could we forget

943
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:55,580
his code name was double-oh-seven in the

944
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:57,260
British intelligence services which is

945
00:50:00,730 --> 00:49:59,900
where Ian Fleming got that isn't that

946
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:00,740
incredible

947
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:03,110
you know and think of it so that his

948
00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:06,020
importance and certainly his importance

949
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,550
during Queen Elizabeth's reign his

950
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:14,000
importance cannot be discounted here it

951
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:19,030
was extraordinary his impact and his

952
00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:22,280
contributions to all of those things he

953
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:25,790
wasn't really a specialist you know in

954
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:29,360
my opinion he wanted to you know in one

955
00:50:34,330 --> 00:50:32,120
in one thing he wanted to excel in just

956
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:34,340
about everything and he managed to pull

957
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:36,430
that off which is an extraordinary life

958
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:40,160
it really is and you know what I say in

959
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:44,240
the book is that john d in my belief is

960
00:50:47,350 --> 00:50:45,290
really one

961
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:47,360
the people that's responsible for the

962
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:49,730
world we live in now if you consider

963
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:52,370
that he created the fundamental math

964
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:54,650
behind the British Empire and the idea

965
00:50:58,810 --> 00:50:56,990
that it should happen and then of course

966
00:51:00,310 --> 00:50:58,820
out of the bush became the the biggest

967
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:00,320
empire the world has ever seen the

968
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:02,450
Empire which the Sun never sets and that

969
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:03,890
out of the British Empire came the

970
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:06,290
American Empire and that not only that

971
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:09,370
but he also really laid the groundwork

972
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:12,500
that led to the birth of modern science

973
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:14,570
well that's pretty much our whole modern

974
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:17,210
world or a whole lot of it but the thing

975
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:20,030
is he was so weird in a way I mean he he

976
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:22,220
had so many interests but also you know

977
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:25,820
he got so into he did this whole decade

978
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:28,310
or two decades of just pure occult

979
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:31,370
research that he's just been buried in

980
00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:34,130
history I mean he he his reputation

981
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:36,500
suffered greatly he was written out of

982
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:38,450
the official history or kind of cast to

983
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:40,310
the sidelines because people have just

984
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:42,110
thought he was too weird and they didn't

985
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:43,790
want to be associated with that because

986
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:45,740
they wanted people to take them

987
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,300
seriously whether we're talking about

988
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:49,760
the early scientists or even you know

989
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:51,710
more recent historians who have written

990
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:55,580
about him really kind of refused to look

991
00:52:01,390 --> 00:51:58,040
at this site of him and and because he

992
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:01,400
doesn't fit the accepted narrative of

993
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:04,790
history he's been kind of left in the

994
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:06,830
dustbin of history you know and that's a

995
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:09,530
shame because I think when we really

996
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,960
look closely it'd be you know we're

997
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:14,480
looking at the person who kind of wrote

998
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:16,550
the computer code that the modern world

999
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,930
runs on in my opinion the the other part

1000
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:25,400
of John and you and I were talking about

1001
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:29,090
this earlier today for fans of history

1002
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:35,090
like myself you see his name referenced

1003
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:39,770
so much but then you go to research John

1004
00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:43,790
D and you hit dead ends and though and

1005
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:47,300
and what you do find and there's a lot

1006
00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:49,550
of it out there but a lot of it is

1007
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:52,460
conflicting and you don't know which one

1008
00:52:58,210 --> 00:52:56,000
to choose it's a very difficult thing to

1009
00:52:58,809 --> 00:52:58,220
research john d how did you pull that

1010
00:53:01,599 --> 00:52:58,819
off

1011
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:01,609
well absolutely and it's so difficult it

1012
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:03,650
I think anyone who starts to get really

1013
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:05,390
into this and research it ask themselves

1014
00:53:09,459 --> 00:53:07,249
the question at some point you know why

1015
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:09,469
have I never heard this story why has

1016
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:11,689
this been it's been kept from me on

1017
00:53:16,329 --> 00:53:14,089
purpose perhaps like why are we not told

1018
00:53:19,299 --> 00:53:16,339
in high school that you know the age of

1019
00:53:21,309 --> 00:53:19,309
empires comes out of an occult ritual to

1020
00:53:25,089 --> 00:53:21,319
contact angels and it's just so bizarre

1021
00:53:27,909 --> 00:53:25,099
but it is what happened or what people

1022
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:27,919
believed was what happened but you know

1023
00:53:31,329 --> 00:53:30,169
I wrote this book for one reason or you

1024
00:53:33,069 --> 00:53:31,339
know the primary reason was because I

1025
00:53:35,169 --> 00:53:33,079
wanted to understand the subject because

1026
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:35,179
I just like you I I got into it I

1027
00:53:39,699 --> 00:53:36,650
started to research it and I kept

1028
00:53:41,949 --> 00:53:39,709
hitting a lot of fragmentary information

1029
00:53:44,019 --> 00:53:41,959
because the deal would be is on one side

1030
00:53:46,929 --> 00:53:44,029
we've had for the most part on one side

1031
00:53:49,779 --> 00:53:46,939
we've had historians academic historians

1032
00:53:51,429 --> 00:53:49,789
and mainstream historians of science who

1033
00:53:53,429 --> 00:53:51,439
have written about him and done

1034
00:53:56,049 --> 00:53:53,439
biographies but have really kind of

1035
00:53:58,749 --> 00:53:56,059
tried to marginalize his occult stuff

1036
00:54:01,059 --> 00:53:58,759
and say well he was deluded he was he

1037
00:54:04,299 --> 00:54:01,069
was older he was he got taken for a ride

1038
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:04,309
by a psychic and they try to downplay

1039
00:54:07,929 --> 00:54:06,049
that and not which is a shame because

1040
00:54:10,959 --> 00:54:07,939
that it was totally central to his life

1041
00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:10,969
and on the other hand we have occult

1042
00:54:14,259 --> 00:54:12,259
writers who have written about Dee

1043
00:54:16,899 --> 00:54:14,269
who've written brilliant stuff about his

1044
00:54:19,329 --> 00:54:16,909
occult work but they also take it out of

1045
00:54:20,890 --> 00:54:19,339
context of all of his other work and the

1046
00:54:22,779 --> 00:54:20,900
thing about Dee is it was all one thing

1047
00:54:24,489 --> 00:54:22,789
for him and his contemporaries the

1048
00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:24,499
hermetic magicians it was all one thing

1049
00:54:29,919 --> 00:54:27,109
for them this was the time in history

1050
00:54:31,689 --> 00:54:29,929
where it was still possible to know

1051
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,699
everything and what I mean by that is

1052
00:54:35,799 --> 00:54:34,400
that you could still read all the you

1053
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:35,809
know publish material that was available

1054
00:54:39,969 --> 00:54:37,640
at that time because it really wasn't a

1055
00:54:40,989 --> 00:54:39,979
whole lot right and so the intellectuals

1056
00:54:42,459 --> 00:54:40,999
of this time they just wanted to

1057
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:42,469
understand reality they wanted to

1058
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:43,880
understand the big picture of the whole

1059
00:54:48,699 --> 00:54:46,729
enchilada and so there was no separation

1060
00:54:50,979 --> 00:54:48,709
of disciplines between them whether it

1061
00:54:53,409 --> 00:54:50,989
was you know optics or astronomy or the

1062
00:54:54,699 --> 00:54:53,419
occult or philosophy it was all the same

1063
00:54:59,620 --> 00:54:54,709
thing for them they just wanted to know

1064
00:55:00,969 --> 00:54:59,630
what was going on the other thing I just

1065
00:55:02,589 --> 00:55:00,979
want to bring this up really quick and

1066
00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:02,599
then we'll move on and we got ahead to a

1067
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:08,119
break but the speed of light and to have

1068
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:10,970
that kind of

1069
00:55:19,570 --> 00:55:15,890
vision not only in a scientific concept

1070
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:19,580
but to have that kind of vision to think

1071
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:22,010
outside of the box who would have even

1072
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:24,980
thought about that kind of concept but

1073
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:26,900
that's where Dean was coming from it's

1074
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:28,820
it's it's extraordinary

1075
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:31,550
it really is optics was a tease focus

1076
00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:34,850
and he hints at in his writings the

1077
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:37,160
early stirrings of the idea of the speed

1078
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:39,830
of light of even there's parts of his

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00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:40,970
writings where it seems like he's

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talking about the potential of solar

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panels or even putting solar panels in

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00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:47,870
space and the really crazy thing the

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00:55:52,570 --> 00:55:49,490
thing that just completely blows my mind

1084
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:52,580
is that he can apply it all of this to

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00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,010
the occult and he thought that for

1086
00:55:59,260 --> 00:55:57,680
instance we use a telescope these things

1087
00:56:01,210 --> 00:55:59,270
wouldn't be invented till later but you

1088
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:01,220
know of course we all know that you can

1089
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:04,280
use a telescope to see out there into

1090
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:06,020
the great beyond and you can use a

1091
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:08,210
microscope to see really small things

1092
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:10,520
bacteria all that and these you know

1093
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:12,950
rely on glass you know optical glass

1094
00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:15,080
well d thought that you could use a

1095
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,240
scrying ball which is a you know what we

1096
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:19,280
now know as a crystal ball to directly

1097
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:22,070
investigate the spiritual world and just

1098
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:23,870
he thought that you would be able to see

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00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:26,150
the attributes of God and spirits

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00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:28,730
manifested in actual light waves it's an

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00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:31,160
it's a really psychedelic theory and way

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00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:34,040
to see the world and why why do you

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00:56:39,490 --> 00:56:36,470
think you touched upon this earlier but

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00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:39,500
let's do this now before the break why

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00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,660
do you think that history did choose to

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00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:45,200
erase him

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00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:48,650
was it the occult or the the magic or

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00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:52,010
the Angels aspect of it or the dangers

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00:56:59,290 --> 00:56:55,870
of science too as well and and of course

1110
00:57:02,050 --> 00:56:59,300
the connections to the monarchy but but

1111
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:02,060
it could have been all or none of it I

1112
00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:03,350
don't know but why do you think they

1113
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:05,840
chose to erase them I think it's all of

1114
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:06,890
it but I actually think there was a

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00:57:11,710 --> 00:57:09,230
pretty simple and mundane answer which

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00:57:13,810 --> 00:57:11,720
is that when the Royal Society happened

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00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:13,820
in the century following D which was the

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00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:16,100
group of early the early group that

1119
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:19,310
became the first scientists in in London

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00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:21,530
you know they were all aware of D they

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00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:23,510
all looked to him as kind of their their

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00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:24,410
intellectual crown

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00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:25,960
father they were aware of his

1124
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:30,110
experiments but they kind of wrote him

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00:57:34,090 --> 00:57:32,090
they didn't as much they kind of left

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00:57:35,770 --> 00:57:34,100
him to the side because they were in a

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00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:35,780
perilous political position they were

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00:57:39,730 --> 00:57:37,610
just trying to get science accepted

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00:57:41,590 --> 00:57:39,740
science itself was heretical enough they

1130
00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:41,600
didn't want to fight two battles I also

1131
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:43,580
have to defend the occult right right

1132
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:45,290
right yeah that's the deal I think

1133
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:46,820
anyway they kind of left him out and

1134
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,070
then there could be another side to it

1135
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:50,480
and I'll throw this out

1136
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:55,010
you know alchemy and the mystery schools

1137
00:58:01,810 --> 00:57:58,220
and some of these things occult are not

1138
00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:01,820
to be seen or to be discussed and he was

1139
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:03,860
getting a little bit too visible

1140
00:58:10,060 --> 00:58:07,790
so maybe that was part of it where they

1141
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:10,070
needed some of these things that he was

1142
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:13,460
so accurate that they probably didn't

1143
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:16,760
want this information out there either I

1144
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:18,770
think that could be oh yeah

1145
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:20,450
something that could play into it I mean

1146
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:22,010
there's a reason why it's called a cult

1147
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:25,010
right oh yeah well look I mean you know

1148
00:58:28,690 --> 00:58:26,810
Dee later when when he was talking to

1149
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:28,700
the Angels you know the Angels that they

1150
00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:31,060
were talking to allegedly wanted

1151
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:33,860
everyone in the world to be able to make

1152
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:36,380
direct contact with angels outside of

1153
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:38,150
the balance of the Catholic Church and

1154
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:40,130
the Catholic Church was not fond of this

1155
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:43,490
idea at all and in fact Dee and Kelly

1156
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:45,260
had to run for their lives maybe we'll

1157
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:46,910
touch on this later on but we're

1158
00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:48,490
constantly running for their lives from

1159
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:51,320
Jesuit agents you-you-you know wanted to

1160
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:53,090
lure them to the Vatican and probably

1161
00:58:59,170 --> 00:58:56,170
torture and kill them so it was a real

1162
00:59:02,440 --> 00:58:59,180
fight at a kind of a hidden war going on

1163
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:02,450
and and and the reason was you know the

1164
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:04,970
the the whole promise of magic you know

1165
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:06,890
the pitch of magic is if you will even

1166
00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:10,370
today is that it could allow you perhaps

1167
00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:12,800
to make direct contact with God or

1168
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:15,020
angels or spiritual beings on your own

1169
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:18,260
without having to go through a church

1170
00:59:23,050 --> 00:59:20,810
and you know give money to them and

1171
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:23,060
submit to what they say and and that

1172
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:24,980
that was a dangerous idea at the time

1173
00:59:32,350 --> 00:59:27,830
it's still a dangerous idea you know

1174
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:32,360
what about was it Dee who said that the

1175
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:37,660
Angels told him to stop I said

1176
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:41,530
well so yeah so Saudi was working with

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00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:44,049
Edward Kelly who was a psychic dee could

1178
00:59:48,059 --> 00:59:46,390
not you know he was a very intellectual

1179
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:48,069
he couldn't make contact with these

1180
00:59:52,859 --> 00:59:50,490
beings himself so he needed to rely on

1181
00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:52,869
psychics that he worked with or Squires

1182
00:59:56,010 --> 00:59:55,270
as they were called to kind of you know

1183
00:59:58,020 --> 00:59:56,020
left-brained

1184
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,030
more left brain people to go into those

1185
01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:00,640
trance States that intuitive flow in

1186
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,579
order to get into those states and you

1187
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:05,440
know the guy he was working with Edward

1188
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,010
Kelly was had some you know he was he

1189
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:11,920
had a lot of personal issues and he was

1190
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:15,369
often he wanted to stop quite a bit it

1191
01:00:18,569 --> 01:00:17,410
was too much for him many many times and

1192
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,579
he was just getting burnt out and

1193
01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:20,079
overloaded by all of this information

1194
01:00:24,809 --> 01:00:22,540
and all this angelic information coming

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01:00:27,299 --> 01:00:24,819
through these rituals and he was often

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01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:27,309
begging dee to stop because it he

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01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,230
thought it was too much for him

1198
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:30,880
but Dee kept pushing him and pushing him

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:32,440
and pushing him until finally he kind of

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01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:34,930
snapped about seven years into it yeah

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01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:36,609
plus and that's the other part of

1202
01:00:42,059 --> 01:00:39,849
getting silenced right if the if you can

1203
01:00:44,819 --> 01:00:42,069
make direct contact with angels you know

1204
01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:44,829
why do you need the church so maybe they

1205
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:47,140
had something to do with it too could be

1206
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:49,720
but he was certainly a difficult thing

1207
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,020
for me to research and and try to get

1208
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:54,880
something very accurate out there and

1209
01:01:01,620 --> 01:00:57,250
the more that I dived into John Dee and

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01:01:05,130 --> 01:01:01,630
this is 20 25 years ago I was very

1211
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:05,140
impressed with the fact that it made its

1212
01:01:10,589 --> 01:01:08,349
a rabbit hole right you just can't get

1213
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,599
to the real truth at least I felt like I

1214
01:01:14,670 --> 01:01:13,200
was being stonewalled at every turn oh

1215
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:14,680
absolutely

1216
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:16,569
you know it's like every time you know

1217
01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:18,790
you unwrap a layer of the mystery of Dee

1218
01:01:24,089 --> 01:01:21,309
you see it's like you you unveil a whole

1219
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,099
new layer of reality and every step of

1220
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:27,040
the way it shakes and sometimes shatters

1221
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,530
your your assumptions about what history

1222
01:01:34,349 --> 01:01:31,839
is and what the world is and perhaps who

1223
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:34,359
you are and what's going on right and

1224
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:36,520
it's it's a massive massive subject I

1225
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:37,950
mean for people who were into

1226
01:01:43,049 --> 01:01:40,930
spirituality and magic Dee in his work

1227
01:01:44,579 --> 01:01:43,059
are really the calculus of the spiritual

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01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:44,589
world you know if people getting into

1229
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:47,609
rituals is like you know the basics of

1230
01:01:52,050 --> 01:01:50,440
meditation and magic is like arithmetic

1231
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:52,060
and then getting more into Kabbalah and

1232
01:01:56,609 --> 01:01:54,190
hermeticism and the more structured

1233
01:01:59,309 --> 01:01:56,619
paths is kind of like you know geometry

1234
01:02:01,260 --> 01:01:59,319
and trigonometry geometry well D is

1235
01:02:03,059 --> 01:02:01,270
calculus

1236
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:03,069
it's that complicated let me jump in

1237
01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:04,660
right there we got to take a break but

1238
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:06,220
when we come back I want to talk about

1239
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:08,230
these influences we've got to go back

1240
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:10,480
and talk about hermeticism and its

1241
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:13,150
foundation what it is and how that

1242
01:02:17,790 --> 01:02:16,300
rolled into of course his life so we'll

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do that when we come back our guest

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tonight Jason Louvre this is a fade to

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from Italy Jason let's pick up where we

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left off when we talk about influences

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and hermeticism is is I think it's Dold

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about sometimes a little bit too loosely

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and a lot who say that may not

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understand it I talked about it earlier

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:12,570
where you start to do research you know

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01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,490
I thought UFOs was enough for my life

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:16,920
right need man you jump into hermeticism

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01:07:21,590 --> 01:07:19,410
and and that that's a lifelong study

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01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:21,600
right there of research and and it's

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01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:23,460
foundations which go back you know of

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01:07:30,050 --> 01:07:26,940
course to alexandria in egypt but a huge

1336
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:30,060
influence on all of the thinkers in the

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:33,950
world to this day but when we talk about

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Hermeticism i want your definition

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totally so hermeticism is a 2000 year

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01:07:48,590 --> 01:07:44,840
old secret tradition in Western

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01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:48,600
civilization which is kind of the study

1342
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:51,480
of the hidden occult and spiritual

1343
01:07:59,540 --> 01:07:55,280
forces behind the world and it's the

1344
01:08:03,290 --> 01:07:59,550
attempts from you know people from time

1345
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,300
immemorial to understand what reality is

1346
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:05,460
and it's the parent tradition from which

1347
01:08:09,830 --> 01:08:08,010
we get of course the occult and magic

1348
01:08:11,570 --> 01:08:09,840
and actually also that we get science

1349
01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:11,580
from you know science and alchemy were

1350
01:08:15,860 --> 01:08:13,830
born out of their Hermetic tradition so

1351
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:15,870
you have to imagine in context that for

1352
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:18,510
a thousand years and more 1500 years it

1353
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:21,090
was the church right there was the

1354
01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:22,890
Catholic Church and then the Protestant

1355
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,260
branches and the Orthodox Church and the

1356
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:27,540
one source of truth about what reality

1357
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:31,230
was was the church and it was just this

1358
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:32,970
is what it is it's received scripture

1359
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:35,310
follow the book and follow what the

1360
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:37,049
church says and that's it and don't ask

1361
01:08:40,190 --> 01:08:37,710
questions

1362
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,200
well Hermeticism was and of course

1363
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:42,779
became a cult Hermeticism were the

1364
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:44,670
people who did want to ask questions who

1365
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:48,630
wanted to perhaps make experiments into

1366
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:51,150
reality and the spiritual world to try

1367
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:52,410
and understand things for themselves

1368
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:55,170
instead of just being told what to think

1369
01:09:01,579 --> 01:08:58,620
and more more deeper deep you know more

1370
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:01,589
deeply than that hermeticism is really

1371
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:04,410
trying to it comes from the place of

1372
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:07,500
saying well if God created everything

1373
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:10,049
right if God created the universe well

1374
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:13,500
there must be intelligence behind how he

1375
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,759
or she or it you know what God created

1376
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:19,980
this universe right the signature of the

1377
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:22,950
Creator must be in the creation and so

1378
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,380
you know this is kind of funny but the

1379
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:27,960
the best definition of Hermeticism and

1380
01:09:35,599 --> 01:09:29,370
I've ever heard actually comes from a

1381
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,609
Smith's song it's really the song asked

1382
01:09:39,229 --> 01:09:37,440
by the Smiths Morrissey had the lyric

1383
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:39,239
nature as a language can't you read

1384
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:41,130
which of course he's not talking about

1385
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:42,420
Hermeticism but I think that's the

1386
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:44,489
greatest definition of Hermeticism ever

1387
01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:46,830
because the Hermetic thinkers

1388
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:51,150
at nature and the human soul and they

1389
01:09:55,460 --> 01:09:53,370
wanted to find the patterns you know

1390
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:55,470
what what are the Patna hidden occult

1391
01:09:58,910 --> 01:09:57,480
patterns of reality and if we can

1392
01:10:00,890 --> 01:09:58,920
understand those patterns then we'll

1393
01:10:03,140 --> 01:10:00,900
understand the language of nature and

1394
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:03,150
even more than that we'll understand the

1395
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:06,060
language of how God talks because God

1396
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:08,010
doesn't necessarily talk in language God

1397
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:10,110
talks through the language of everything

1398
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:11,840
around us the creation that we're

1399
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:14,550
experiencing and living in they wanted

1400
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:16,110
to understand how the machine was put

1401
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:19,380
together where else can you go to get a

1402
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:22,050
healthy dose of alchemy Hermeticism and

1403
01:10:29,540 --> 01:10:25,489
Morrissey drop right all in one show

1404
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:29,550
that's what I'm talking about Morrissey

1405
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:34,410
was a genius or is but genius genius

1406
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,510
right up there John Dee and I'm not

1407
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:39,840
saying that loosely at all and I like

1408
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:42,360
your musical background and that that's

1409
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:43,800
a really cool

1410
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:45,450
I open or I don't want to go into a

1411
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:48,570
music thing here but I'm very only

1412
01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:50,010
they've been able to collaborate it

1413
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:52,460
would have been more see more indeed

1414
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:55,380
John Dee instead of Johnny more yeah

1415
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:57,480
yeah yeah no no he could have gone with

1416
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:00,140
John Dee he just dropped the two E's

1417
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:03,810
right totally could have been Johnny Dee

1418
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:08,340
and Morrissey man I'm gonna claim that

1419
01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:12,410
I'm gonna steal that okay so now this is

1420
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:15,630
for me we have the other part about this

1421
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:22,220
hermeticism and of course alexandria we

1422
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:24,900
have the the Thoth elements and and

1423
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:27,030
stuff that goes back tens of thousands

1424
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:29,940
of years going backwards was John Dee

1425
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:33,000
aware of that part of it yes he

1426
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:34,680
absolutely was and he studied it

1427
01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:37,110
intensively for you know the first you

1428
01:11:42,230 --> 01:11:39,180
know four throughout his his 20s and 30s

1429
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,240
and yeah I mean with the hermetic text

1430
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:44,880
they had leftover text from Alexandria

1431
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,870
and Egypt and it had been a textual

1432
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:50,880
tradition going back to the beginning of

1433
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:53,490
the first century and the really

1434
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,810
exciting thing for Dee and his

1435
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:56,940
contemporaries was that they were able

1436
01:12:01,060 --> 01:11:59,070
to get their hands on those texts for

1437
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:01,070
the first time during the Renaissance

1438
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:04,380
after the sack of Constantinople in the

1439
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:09,420
1400s by the Ottoman Empire where you

1440
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:11,460
know when when Constantinople was burned

1441
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:15,600
a lot of Orthodox priests fled to the

1442
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:18,090
Vatican and the the Italian city-states

1443
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,770
and they brought with them all those

1444
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:21,780
texts right not just the hermetica but

1445
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,210
also the texts of Plato and Aristotle

1446
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,400
that was the first time it people in

1447
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:28,800
Europe had ever seen really any source

1448
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:31,530
of anything interesting outside of you

1449
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:33,570
know the Bible so it was a big deal for

1450
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,290
people if I could go back in time there

1451
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:39,570
would be a few I'm gonna ask you where

1452
01:12:44,510 --> 01:12:41,130
you would go right now there would be a

1453
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:44,520
few places that I would need to deal

1454
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:46,470
with I would you know when when the

1455
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:48,390
pyramids were being constructed whatever

1456
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:49,890
that was I would like to be there to see

1457
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:52,620
that I would like to go back to gobekli

1458
01:12:55,530 --> 01:12:53,040
tepe

1459
01:13:00,090 --> 01:12:55,540
and and see that get built while

1460
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:00,100
thousand years ago but Florence Wright

1461
01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:04,090
said and what was flourishing there and

1462
01:13:10,230 --> 01:13:08,440
and to hang out and at the different you

1463
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:10,240
know not only the secret rooms but just

1464
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,290
the cafes and and see how that

1465
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:16,480
information was collected and and

1466
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:19,000
discussed could you just imagine uh for

1467
01:13:23,490 --> 01:13:20,890
you if you could do the same thing what

1468
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:23,500
would you do well I would love to see

1469
01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:24,910
all that I mean can you imagine the

1470
01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:27,640
beautiful piazzas and all the you know

1471
01:13:31,710 --> 01:13:29,790
the Florentine art and the Sistine

1472
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:31,720
Chapel of that you know it would be

1473
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:34,330
incredible but not to be cheeky but you

1474
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,440
know actually I think my honest answer

1475
01:13:39,630 --> 01:13:37,840
is I like it now and I think for

1476
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:39,640
somebody like me and for many of the

1477
01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:41,560
listeners and you know I think that you

1478
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:42,550
know for people like us who are

1479
01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:44,410
interested in this stuff now really is

1480
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:47,590
the best time in history to be alive and

1481
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,540
because this material has been kept

1482
01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:51,280
secret for thousands of years it's been

1483
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:53,740
hidden for an elite and if people

1484
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:55,540
haven't had access to it we when you

1485
01:14:00,510 --> 01:13:58,210
consider that even John Dee spent years

1486
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,520
just searching for one book in Europe in

1487
01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:03,280
Europe and now we have access to all

1488
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:04,900
this stuff you know we can just google

1489
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,270
PDFs of it or get it sent the same day

1490
01:14:11,790 --> 01:14:09,760
on Amazon Prime and we can talk about it

1491
01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:11,800
openly and do shows like this without

1492
01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:14,020
being afraid that someone's gonna come

1493
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:16,150
knock on the door and I think that

1494
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:18,490
that's a incredible and unprecedented

1495
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:20,770
and we should take as much advantage of

1496
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:23,470
it as we can well as we can while we

1497
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,480
still have it so that's my hopefully not

1498
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:27,760
too cheeky answer but now really is I

1499
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:30,160
think the Golden Age of magic in a way

1500
01:14:35,940 --> 01:14:32,050
more than any of these other cultures

1501
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:35,950
now back to John Dee so let's go let's

1502
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:40,930
go back to the the the scientist okay so

1503
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:45,130
here he is I guess he could nearly be

1504
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:47,410
called the number two right in the

1505
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:51,310
British Empire in this advisory capacity

1506
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:53,680
and and the scientific stuff that he was

1507
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:58,570
doing for the Queen at the time how how

1508
01:15:06,090 --> 01:15:01,840
much did he influence through science

1509
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:06,100
and experiments and demonstrations to to

1510
01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:08,210
Elizabeth at that time how

1511
01:15:12,729 --> 01:15:10,100
found was it and how much impact did he

1512
01:15:15,130 --> 01:15:12,739
have on her he had a lot of influence

1513
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:15,140
and he had a profound impact but it

1514
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:17,270
wasn't as much as people think actually

1515
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:19,010
in the sense that you know he was one of

1516
01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:22,190
many consultants to the Queen I mean he

1517
01:15:25,959 --> 01:15:23,480
had many contemporaries Sir Francis

1518
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:25,969
Walsingham who started you know what we

1519
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:28,670
now know as mi5 and mi6 there were other

1520
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:31,070
alchemists at the court and he was

1521
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:32,719
perpetually perpetually kind of

1522
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:34,489
underpaid he was really a underpaid

1523
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:36,350
government consultant for most of his

1524
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:38,300
life and didn't get a whole lot of love

1525
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:40,580
and respect and so it's easy to kind of

1526
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:43,370
romanticize his position but he was

1527
01:15:46,690 --> 01:15:44,750
really one of many I'm not necessarily

1528
01:15:48,670 --> 01:15:46,700
sure he was the number two I think that

1529
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:48,680
probably would have been William sessile

1530
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:51,170
the Secretary of State who was not a fan

1531
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,290
of Dee but you know it's crazy you can

1532
01:15:58,600 --> 01:15:56,000
only imagine you know DS crowning

1533
01:15:59,979 --> 01:15:58,610
achievement of his scientific and his

1534
01:16:01,930 --> 01:15:59,989
imperial career if you want to call it

1535
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:01,940
that his political career was coming up

1536
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:03,770
with this idea of the British Empire and

1537
01:16:08,350 --> 01:16:06,230
saying you know at this time England was

1538
01:16:10,330 --> 01:16:08,360
poor it was a developing nation people

1539
01:16:12,010 --> 01:16:10,340
couldn't he couldn't eat there you know

1540
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:12,020
Elizabeth's administration was broke

1541
01:16:16,510 --> 01:16:14,510
they were afraid of Spain sending the

1542
01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:16,520
Armada to just come down on everybody

1543
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:18,440
and it could all end at any moment and

1544
01:16:22,330 --> 01:16:20,330
it was Dee who came up with the idea

1545
01:16:24,850 --> 01:16:22,340
that just as the Romans had conquered

1546
01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:24,860
the world by leveraging the the

1547
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:27,350
technology of the road that England

1548
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,090
could conquer the world by leveraging

1549
01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:31,520
naval technology so he gave them the

1550
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:33,219
idea of the British Empire and the

1551
01:16:39,130 --> 01:16:37,280
scientific schematics and in order to do

1552
01:16:42,610 --> 01:16:39,140
it and he invented the paradoxical

1553
01:16:44,110 --> 01:16:42,620
compass and all of this stuff and but he

1554
01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:44,120
brought you have to imagine him coming

1555
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,190
to court in his early 50s and bringing

1556
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:48,080
the this idea and they laughed and out

1557
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:50,390
of court and and they thought it was an

1558
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:54,110
absurd idea and then he left hanging his

1559
01:16:57,490 --> 01:16:54,980
head in shame

1560
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:57,500
and then a few days later the sessile

1561
01:17:02,080 --> 01:16:59,840
the Secretary of State brought him a leg

1562
01:17:04,180 --> 01:17:02,090
of venison as payment for his idea this

1563
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:04,190
is the again the greatest empire the

1564
01:17:09,459 --> 01:17:06,890
world had ever seen the the genesis the

1565
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:09,469
idea with this his payment was a leg of

1566
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:12,190
lamb for the British Empire and so he

1567
01:17:16,450 --> 01:17:15,050
you know he left in shame and didn't get

1568
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,460
any love for it but of course you know

1569
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:18,080
only a few years later they turned

1570
01:17:23,170 --> 01:17:20,690
around and used his idea and

1571
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:23,180
and ran with it when once they realized

1572
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:24,800
how much wealth there was in North

1573
01:17:30,610 --> 01:17:28,850
America a tragic story it is it is well

1574
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,620
it wouldn't have been that bad if it was

1575
01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:33,440
a New Zealand leg of lamb you know

1576
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:37,070
because they but you know it's an

1577
01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:40,700
English yeah I know so so that probably

1578
01:17:47,860 --> 01:17:44,540
ticked them off the the other part of it

1579
01:17:51,570 --> 01:17:47,870
is which is an extraordinary part of of

1580
01:17:56,410 --> 01:17:51,580
this entire stories is Edward Kelly now

1581
01:17:57,970 --> 01:17:56,420
when Edward came into the picture well

1582
01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:57,980
you know wait a minute wait a minute you

1583
01:18:03,730 --> 01:17:59,750
and I understand the story the audience

1584
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:03,740
does it who is Edward Kelly okay so yeah

1585
01:18:08,650 --> 01:18:05,330
this is where it gets even crazier it

1586
01:18:10,420 --> 01:18:08,660
does it does and so Dee up to this point

1587
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:10,430
we that's pretty much the first 50 years

1588
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:12,290
of his life is academic intellectual

1589
01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:14,420
government work right and it's only

1590
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:16,700
after this this period where he's after

1591
01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:18,170
the his eye gets the idea for the

1592
01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:19,940
British Empire that he decides to

1593
01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:23,180
dedicate himself full time to the occult

1594
01:18:27,580 --> 01:18:26,030
but and he's he's so he's got decades of

1595
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,590
theory under his belt but Dee has a

1596
01:18:33,370 --> 01:18:29,920
problem and the problem is that he can't

1597
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:33,380
scry and scrying is for those who don't

1598
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:35,450
know scrying is basically staring into a

1599
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,390
piece of crystal or a glass or a dark

1600
01:18:43,570 --> 01:18:41,120
mirror until you kind of trance out and

1601
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:43,580
in that trance state it's kind of like a

1602
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:46,880
dream state a waking dream where you can

1603
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:48,650
if you're good at this it takes a while

1604
01:18:52,510 --> 01:18:50,090
to learn if you're good at this you can

1605
01:18:55,540 --> 01:18:52,520
see what appear to be other beings and

1606
01:18:58,180 --> 01:18:55,550
get information from them so Dee

1607
01:18:59,710 --> 01:18:58,190
couldn't do that because he was - he was

1608
01:19:03,340 --> 01:18:59,720
like an IT guy right he was -

1609
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,350
compulsively rational and so his the

1610
01:19:08,110 --> 01:19:04,640
breakthrough and in fact he even

1611
01:19:09,610 --> 01:19:08,120
contemplated suicide in 1569 where he

1612
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,620
had been trying to do it he was trying

1613
01:19:13,630 --> 01:19:12,080
to contact the Archangel Michael and he

1614
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:13,640
couldn't do it and he thought it was

1615
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:16,010
because he wasn't worthy enough of a

1616
01:19:19,570 --> 01:19:17,930
Christian right

1617
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:19,580
but his breakthrough his quantum leap

1618
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:21,170
came through when he met Edward Kelly

1619
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:23,000
and so you have to imagine this guy

1620
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:25,760
arriving at Dee's house in mortlake in

1621
01:19:30,220 --> 01:19:28,430
southwestern London and the the the moon

1622
01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:30,230
Dee writes in his Diaries turned

1623
01:19:33,490 --> 01:19:31,400
blood-red

1624
01:19:35,109 --> 01:19:33,500
the David Edward Kelly appeared and

1625
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:35,119
Edward Kelly was half of Dee's half

1626
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,610
Dee's age he was 25 he was overweight

1627
01:19:42,970 --> 01:19:39,920
his ears had been cut off for Fort he

1628
01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:42,980
got caught forging coins he was an

1629
01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:46,460
alcoholic he a cloud of scandal and a

1630
01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:49,190
miasma of kind of infernal ISM followed

1631
01:19:53,229 --> 01:19:51,320
him where he'd been accused of you know

1632
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:53,239
necromancy summoning corpses from the

1633
01:19:56,859 --> 01:19:55,130
grave or speaking to you know trying to

1634
01:20:01,450 --> 01:19:56,869
summon demons which he had been doing

1635
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:01,460
and Dee and his wife and his family were

1636
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:04,070
repulsed by him but Dee very quickly

1637
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:06,590
realized that Kelly had the gift he had

1638
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:09,110
the knack he could do it he was not only

1639
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:11,449
a good Squire but he was giving the

1640
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:15,170
information that matched up with what

1641
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:17,540
Dean knew about magic that seemed to be

1642
01:20:21,820 --> 01:20:19,489
incredibly good quality information and

1643
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:21,830
so they formed a working partnership and

1644
01:20:26,109 --> 01:20:23,210
what that looked like on a day to day

1645
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:26,119
basis was them sitting in Dee's study

1646
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:29,750
around a crystal ball and or a piece of

1647
01:20:35,020 --> 01:20:32,690
crystal and Dee doing you know praying

1648
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,030
at length to exhaustion almost or

1649
01:20:41,020 --> 01:20:38,480
praying to Jesus and the angels to bring

1650
01:20:43,450 --> 01:20:41,030
them wisdom and higher knowledge of

1651
01:20:45,459 --> 01:20:43,460
reality and then after Dee finish the

1652
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:45,469
prayers and kind of a technical side of

1653
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:47,150
opening this magical space

1654
01:20:51,550 --> 01:20:49,820
Kelly would approach the crystal and go

1655
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:51,560
into this trance State and then he would

1656
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:53,570
narrate what he was seeing in his

1657
01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:55,550
visions and Dee would write it would ask

1658
01:21:04,419 --> 01:20:58,190
questions to clarify and then be writing

1659
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:04,429
it down let me jump in Jason yeah it did

1660
01:21:09,850 --> 01:21:06,710
Kelly's reputation at that point was

1661
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:09,860
already in stone if you will right and

1662
01:21:17,550 --> 01:21:14,530
it was it was Dee aware of Kelly's past

1663
01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:17,560
because how do you go from a pragmatic

1664
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:21,670
black-and-white scientific mindset to

1665
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:23,570
accepting Kelly

1666
01:21:30,820 --> 01:21:28,610
I only envisioned that if if Dee didn't

1667
01:21:34,899 --> 01:21:30,830
know about his past did he know about

1668
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:34,909
his past it's unclear it's very likely

1669
01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:37,310
he did but you know Dee didn't have that

1670
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:39,500
great of a reputation either Andy had

1671
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:41,449
been accused of sorcery even from his

1672
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:43,730
college days one of the reasons being

1673
01:21:46,810 --> 01:21:45,050
that he was always playing practical

1674
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:46,820
called jokes and using his knowledge of

1675
01:21:51,610 --> 01:21:49,130
optics for instance to create optical

1676
01:21:54,730 --> 01:21:51,620
illusions and he had made the he had

1677
01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:54,740
done a play in college where he created

1678
01:21:58,540 --> 01:21:56,630
an illusion of a flying beetle using

1679
01:22:02,020 --> 01:21:58,550
optical glasses that terrified everyone

1680
01:22:04,150 --> 01:22:02,030
and and you know he'd been accused of

1681
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:04,160
working the Catholics lot he was working

1682
01:22:07,210 --> 01:22:05,750
with a Protestant side the Protestants I

1683
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:07,220
thought he was working with the Catholic

1684
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:09,890
like he he himself had a cloud of

1685
01:22:14,050 --> 01:22:11,900
scandal around him which may have made

1686
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:14,060
him perhaps more sympathetic to somebody

1687
01:22:19,450 --> 01:22:16,790
who also was on the wrong you know on

1688
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,460
the outskirts of society but certainly

1689
01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:21,440
associated with Kelly didn't help his

1690
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:24,620
reputation very much either but I think

1691
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,530
that D you know D to get a sense of his

1692
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:30,320
character and who he was he was a

1693
01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:32,690
scientist he was totally concerned only

1694
01:22:39,370 --> 01:22:36,950
with finding the truth and other things

1695
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:39,380
and I think this is quite to his credit

1696
01:22:44,170 --> 01:22:41,960
really remarkable nothing else really

1697
01:22:46,210 --> 01:22:44,180
mattered to him his social position I

1698
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,220
mean he was desperately poor for much of

1699
01:22:49,540 --> 01:22:47,840
his life so he was constantly trying to

1700
01:22:52,450 --> 01:22:49,550
get money that mattered to him but his

1701
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:52,460
social position was not as important and

1702
01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:54,020
what people thought of him was not as

1703
01:22:59,440 --> 01:22:57,710
important as and he took phenomenal

1704
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,450
professional risks you know and

1705
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:00,800
certainly people at this time would

1706
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:02,510
thought that he was you know playing

1707
01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:04,190
with the fate of his immortal soul doing

1708
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:05,540
this type of thing so those are those

1709
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:07,670
are tremendous you know scientific if

1710
01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:10,490
you will risks or risk to take in the

1711
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:12,590
name of pure science or discovering the

1712
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:16,970
truth but D was very I think very very

1713
01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:19,880
sincere perhaps to a fault perhaps even

1714
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:21,710
being a bit naive about other people's

1715
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:24,140
the motivation of people around him

1716
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:28,400
what about alchemy before Kelly was was

1717
01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:32,500
d exposed to the alchemists of the time

1718
01:23:37,150 --> 01:23:35,420
absolutely so here's so here's the deal

1719
01:23:39,850 --> 01:23:37,160
with alchemy right what's the promise of

1720
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:39,860
alchemy it's that you can turn base

1721
01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:41,690
metals into gold but you can take lead

1722
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:43,580
and turn it into gold through some

1723
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:46,130
secret chemical process you can imagine

1724
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:48,290
this idea would be quite interesting to

1725
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:51,050
people at the time and so what we saw

1726
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,030
during the Elizabethan era and before

1727
01:23:57,610 --> 01:23:54,800
that and afterwards is and the

1728
01:23:58,540 --> 01:23:57,620
Renaissance was everybody was trying to

1729
01:24:00,399 --> 01:23:58,550
figure out alchemy

1730
01:24:02,770 --> 01:24:00,409
was really the arms race you know the

1731
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:02,780
financial arms race of its day mm-hmm

1732
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:04,070
we're because whoever figured that out

1733
01:24:09,819 --> 01:24:07,250
first would have an economic edge over

1734
01:24:12,430 --> 01:24:09,829
all the other competing countries so

1735
01:24:14,169 --> 01:24:12,440
Elizabeth was you know constantly was

1736
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,179
fascinated by alchemy they kept getting

1737
01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:16,400
the Elizabethan Court kept getting taken

1738
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,230
by fraudulent alchemists who claimed

1739
01:24:21,850 --> 01:24:20,239
that they could do it but didn't produce

1740
01:24:24,339 --> 01:24:21,860
results but it sucked down a lot of

1741
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:24,349
money in the process from the court dee

1742
01:24:29,709 --> 01:24:27,710
was fascinated with alchemy but Dee was

1743
01:24:31,930 --> 01:24:29,719
fascinated with real alchemy and real

1744
01:24:34,839 --> 01:24:31,940
alchemy is using those metaphors and

1745
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:34,849
applying them to the human soul right

1746
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,250
how can we take you know base led

1747
01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:39,800
meaning your standard unawakened human

1748
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:41,960
being who feels powerless and adrift in

1749
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:45,650
the world and through by applying a cult

1750
01:24:50,290 --> 01:24:47,510
processes meaning you know meditation

1751
01:24:52,030 --> 01:24:50,300
and ritual and prayer and the all the

1752
01:24:53,649 --> 01:24:52,040
techniques of magic you know turn them

1753
01:24:55,839 --> 01:24:53,659
into an enlightened sage

1754
01:24:58,379 --> 01:24:55,849
that's what do you thought alchemy was

1755
01:25:01,089 --> 01:24:58,389
and he'd really spent a lot of time

1756
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:01,099
trying to interest not just Elizabeth

1757
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:02,690
with all the Monarchs of Europe and this

1758
01:25:07,689 --> 01:25:06,050
idea and they weren't very interested in

1759
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,699
spiritual enlightenment they just wanted

1760
01:25:12,669 --> 01:25:10,159
to know if he could produce gold but you

1761
01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:12,679
know he was he was above that you know

1762
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:14,900
so there's a there's another part of

1763
01:25:21,939 --> 01:25:18,530
alchemy that that scares me and that's

1764
01:25:24,569 --> 01:25:21,949
the part that we you I everybody out

1765
01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:24,579
that we we know absolutely nothing about

1766
01:25:28,419 --> 01:25:26,780
that's the part of the hell could be

1767
01:25:32,859 --> 01:25:28,429
that freaks me out I was sitting with a

1768
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:32,869
great researcher and we were in a

1769
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:35,449
restaurant here in Los Angeles at night

1770
01:25:39,819 --> 01:25:36,530
there's you know it's a couple hundred

1771
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:39,829
people there at a hotel and he he turns

1772
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:42,460
and he whispers to me and goes hey Jimmy

1773
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:46,400
right now there was somebody 500 years

1774
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:51,440
old in this restaurant right just think

1775
01:25:55,810 --> 01:25:52,880
about that for a second was it was it

1776
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:55,820
George Burns yeah it was George actually

1777
01:26:00,970 --> 01:25:58,250
and and so but that's the part of

1778
01:26:02,979 --> 01:26:00,980
alchemy it you know you're right about

1779
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:02,989
that you know turning lead into gold and

1780
01:26:08,290 --> 01:26:05,329
that's that's on the surface and that's

1781
01:26:09,819 --> 01:26:08,300
you know the popular urban legend and

1782
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:09,829
you know about alchemy and and that's

1783
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:11,210
what they pursued there's no doubt about

1784
01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:11,790
that

1785
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:14,280
yeah hold on oh did you go talk to this

1786
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:16,110
person oh man

1787
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:21,570
of course what's what what do yeah I'll

1788
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:23,610
have this conversation with you off of

1789
01:26:35,660 --> 01:26:30,780
the air I told part of this story before

1790
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:35,670
in the air and but let me say this Rita

1791
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:38,010
and I so we're sitting at this table and

1792
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:40,530
there's a few few people there that you

1793
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:42,750
know right okay it's not that big so

1794
01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:46,800
we're sitting and and he you know starts

1795
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:49,020
to talk and read and I leaned in and he

1796
01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:52,050
goes okay I said look man give me the

1797
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:55,830
secret stuff because alright I'll share

1798
01:27:02,450 --> 01:26:57,780
something with you and he tells us this

1799
01:27:07,460 --> 01:27:02,460
story of one of the ceremonies right and

1800
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:07,470
alchemy and ten minutes later I felt

1801
01:27:16,220 --> 01:27:11,970
like it was so stunning to me it felt

1802
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:16,230
like an ice pick in the forehead i sat

1803
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:21,570
there stunned had never heard the most

1804
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:27,330
extreme Kubrick scene of any movie and

1805
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:30,090
nothing in comparison to what was going

1806
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:32,250
through my head at that moment it was it

1807
01:27:38,780 --> 01:27:36,120
was really cool it was it was it was

1808
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,790
discussed four days after that so I'll

1809
01:27:42,230 --> 01:27:40,260
tell you I'll tell you some of it off of

1810
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:42,240
the air I love it we'll do the secret

1811
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:45,270
handshakes yes yes yes and that's the

1812
01:27:49,460 --> 01:27:48,090
part of alchemy because there when you

1813
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:49,470
get into Falken le

1814
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:53,370
and and and in some of the modern sides

1815
01:28:01,040 --> 01:27:57,690
of alchemy I truly believe that right

1816
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:01,050
now on this planet they have a place

1817
01:28:06,830 --> 01:28:03,450
where they get together and it's a

1818
01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:06,840
secret and it's probably some mansion or

1819
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:09,870
castle in Romania I don't know you know

1820
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,470
as a fact but where that we absolutely

1821
01:28:18,650 --> 01:28:15,600
know nothing about and it's meant to be

1822
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:18,660
that way and that's well and that's I'll

1823
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:20,370
tell you man like I spent a lot of time

1824
01:28:23,780 --> 01:28:22,230
in India like they know all that stuff

1825
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:23,790
there and they'll tell you start you

1826
01:28:27,770 --> 01:28:25,530
know I went up into the Himalayas

1827
01:28:29,209 --> 01:28:27,780
at 13,000 feet up and you know they'll

1828
01:28:31,009 --> 01:28:29,219
tell you stories about people that have

1829
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:31,019
been well I probably shouldn't say too

1830
01:28:34,009 --> 01:28:32,610
much stuff on the air but they know all

1831
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,019
that stuff you know the secrets of

1832
01:28:38,959 --> 01:28:36,960
mercury and and an alchemy and it may

1833
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:38,969
have come from India originally you know

1834
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:41,400
there's unbroken lines of research over

1835
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,010
there yeah that goes back a see the

1836
01:28:49,549 --> 01:28:46,260
thing is about India the reason why

1837
01:28:52,189 --> 01:28:49,559
nothing looks old there you know like

1838
01:28:54,169 --> 01:28:52,199
like Giza right it's they've been

1839
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:54,179
building and rebuilding and painting and

1840
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:56,940
rebuilding those sacred sites and

1841
01:29:00,620 --> 01:28:59,280
temples unbroken for thousands and

1842
01:29:03,620 --> 01:29:00,630
thousands of years and they're currently

1843
01:29:05,299 --> 01:29:03,630
occupied oh yeah and so that's that's

1844
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:05,309
that's what's really cool I want to ask

1845
01:29:10,759 --> 01:29:08,249
you really quick before the break you

1846
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:10,769
said that hermetica we've got three

1847
01:29:15,890 --> 01:29:13,289
minutes you said that harmonica took

1848
01:29:19,549 --> 01:29:15,900
humanity out of the dark ages can you

1849
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:19,559
expand on that well in the sense that

1850
01:29:27,259 --> 01:29:24,449
hermeticism was what hermeticism did was

1851
01:29:29,839 --> 01:29:27,269
create a secret underground tradition of

1852
01:29:32,049 --> 01:29:29,849
people who were investigating and making

1853
01:29:36,020 --> 01:29:32,059
experiments into the nature of reality

1854
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:36,030
outside of church domination and what

1855
01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:38,369
emerged from that were secret societies

1856
01:29:45,140 --> 01:29:40,940
like Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry

1857
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:45,150
which formed kind of covert associations

1858
01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:48,360
of free thinkers and without that

1859
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,780
network you know without on one hand the

1860
01:29:55,959 --> 01:29:53,760
ability to associate with other free

1861
01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:55,969
thinkers in secret and on the other hand

1862
01:30:01,219 --> 01:29:58,710
to try to be associated with those

1863
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:01,229
people to try to come up with a way to

1864
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,659
not just explore reality but perhaps

1865
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:06,300
even change it and manipulate it well

1866
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:09,780
that's how science happened and science

1867
01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:13,199
of course dragged Europe out of the Dark

1868
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,820
Ages and it probably wouldn't happen in

1869
01:30:18,799 --> 01:30:16,320
England without John Dee in the sense

1870
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:18,809
that John Dee was the great scientific

1871
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:20,699
educator of England he brought all the

1872
01:30:27,500 --> 01:30:24,510
scientific knowledge from the continent

1873
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:27,510
to England he he founded the biggest

1874
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,670
library of the time five times the size

1875
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:31,679
of Cambridge and Oxford he tirelessly

1876
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:34,320
taught mathematics and optics to the new

1877
01:30:38,589 --> 01:30:36,449
generation the generation that would go

1878
01:30:41,530 --> 01:30:38,599
on to found modern science

1879
01:30:43,149 --> 01:30:41,540
and so but it's all one continuum and

1880
01:30:44,859 --> 01:30:43,159
that's the mind-blowing thing that's the

1881
01:30:46,839 --> 01:30:44,869
thing that people don't realize you know

1882
01:30:48,370 --> 01:30:46,849
this idea of Hermeticism and magic can

1883
01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:48,380
we understand reality and then

1884
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:49,670
manipulate it through the right

1885
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:52,369
procedures that became science they're

1886
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:53,690
not two different things it's a

1887
01:30:59,500 --> 01:30:57,170
continuum of inquiry and it was of

1888
01:31:03,220 --> 01:30:59,510
course I I think science that really did

1889
01:31:05,290 --> 01:31:03,230
turn the lights on in in Western

1890
01:31:07,810 --> 01:31:05,300
civilization now unfortunately as time

1891
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:07,820
went on spirituality in the realm of

1892
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:09,770
what we might call the soul or

1893
01:31:13,419 --> 01:31:11,960
consciousness well that got separated

1894
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:13,429
out and kind of thrown out with the

1895
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:16,190
bathwater and now we have kind of the

1896
01:31:24,700 --> 01:31:21,070
stepped down field of psychology which

1897
01:31:27,550 --> 01:31:24,710
you know is great but is not in at least

1898
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:27,560
in my opinion nowhere near as deep or

1899
01:31:32,410 --> 01:31:30,800
satisfying as the the hermetic and

1900
01:31:34,419 --> 01:31:32,420
occult tradition in terms of

1901
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understanding what human beings are and

1902
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:35,469
why we're here

1903
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argument our guest tonight Jason Lou

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we're talking about his new book and it

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is amazing holding it up for the camera

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John Dee and the Empire of Angels more

1907
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with Jason right after this short break

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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01:35:56,430 --> 01:35:53,370
welcome back fade to black our guest

1976
01:35:57,870 --> 01:35:56,440
tonight Jason Louvre and this segment of

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let's let's jump ahead the the book is

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an amazing read for everybody and and

1985
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:23,409
it's very comprehensive it's very

1986
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:25,210
detailed and your writing style by the

1987
01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:27,610
way oh I wanted to ask you about your

1988
01:36:32,879 --> 01:36:29,800
writing style before we get back to the

1989
01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:32,889
conversation where'd you learn to write

1990
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:36,760
where did you go to school well I mean I

1991
01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:39,130
started writing when I was you know four

1992
01:36:42,899 --> 01:36:40,329
or five years old and haven't stopped

1993
01:36:45,689 --> 01:36:42,909
since so well I went to school with the

1994
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I studied journalism English and

1995
01:36:52,649 --> 01:36:48,159
journalism at UC Santa Cruz right and

1996
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:52,659
also at King's College in London it it

1997
01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:56,170
shows the writing style is a man man

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01:37:03,149 --> 01:36:59,820
it's like you know I I feel almost

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01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:03,159
intimidated but the the writing style is

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01:37:10,770 --> 01:37:07,320
very fluid and I like I like the the

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01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:10,780
comprehensive deep of the black and

2002
01:37:15,089 --> 01:37:13,630
white style and that's exactly what this

2003
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:15,099
book is so I feel like it was written

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01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:18,250
for me it's a it's just really well done

2005
01:37:28,379 --> 01:37:23,440
now the period let's jump ahead let's

2006
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,389
get off of Edward and the crystal ball

2007
01:37:32,490 --> 01:37:30,400
for a second I want to jump ahead from

2008
01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:32,500
that oh I wanted to ask you do you have

2009
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,940
a scrying mirror well I've used all

2010
01:37:42,510 --> 01:37:38,320
kinds of things for scrying I mean you

2011
01:37:44,129 --> 01:37:42,520
can use crystals you can use actually

2012
01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:44,139
you could the easiest thing is just put

2013
01:37:48,270 --> 01:37:45,880
some black coffee in a cup and use that

2014
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:48,280
but a really great thing you can do

2015
01:37:53,549 --> 01:37:51,369
another thing you can do is take a go to

2016
01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:53,559
Goodwill or something and buy a picture

2017
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:55,540
frame for five dollars just like an you

2018
01:37:58,979 --> 01:37:57,250
know like a discarded picture right

2019
01:38:02,069 --> 01:37:58,989
let's take out take the glass out and

2020
01:38:04,660 --> 01:38:02,079
spray black reflective spray paint on

2021
01:38:06,610 --> 01:38:04,670
the back let it dry and then put it back

2022
01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:06,620
frame and you've got yourself a screamer

2023
01:38:11,620 --> 01:38:08,540
but you didn't answer the question

2024
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:11,630
oh well yes do you have a scrying mirror

2025
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,170
a Strang crystal yeah now what about a

2026
01:38:19,090 --> 01:38:18,080
giant crystal skull like I'm holding up

2027
01:38:23,709 --> 01:38:19,100
to the camera

2028
01:38:25,900 --> 01:38:23,719
oh is that are they on eBay anyone got a

2029
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:25,910
link not not this one not the one I'm

2030
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:27,890
holding up here I'll show it to you one

2031
01:38:36,820 --> 01:38:33,890
day nice how back to scrying mirrors I

2032
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:36,830
was offered one a couple of years ago

2033
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:41,690
from from a friend and one reason or

2034
01:38:50,169 --> 01:38:47,600
another didn't happen but it the idea on

2035
01:38:51,790 --> 01:38:50,179
its use kind of freaked me out a little

2036
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:51,800
bit in that I don't know if I could

2037
01:38:58,840 --> 01:38:54,800
control it right that's my thing I don't

2038
01:39:01,780 --> 01:38:58,850
know if I could control it because once

2039
01:39:03,610 --> 01:39:01,790
I would get involved with it I think

2040
01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:03,620
that it would be something that would be

2041
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:07,300
beyond me well I think that's a valid

2042
01:39:11,740 --> 01:39:09,920
perception and and honestly that's why

2043
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:11,750
magic exists you know all of the

2044
01:39:17,169 --> 01:39:14,870
rigmarole of ceremonial magic and

2045
01:39:20,110 --> 01:39:17,179
hermeticism and the precise nature of

2046
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:20,120
the rituals that stuff exists to control

2047
01:39:24,939 --> 01:39:22,130
it it's you know magic is kind of like a

2048
01:39:26,830 --> 01:39:24,949
programming language for dyeing up just

2049
01:39:29,919 --> 01:39:26,840
the parts of the spiritual world you

2050
01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:29,929
want to talk to so the mistake that most

2051
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:32,390
people make is they approach Ouija

2052
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:34,730
boards or scrying or channeling or

2053
01:39:39,959 --> 01:39:37,160
whatever it is and they just go they go

2054
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:39,969
in cold you know no protection and

2055
01:39:43,630 --> 01:39:42,260
they're Delta's wait for anything to

2056
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:43,640
come through and that's why they often

2057
01:39:49,810 --> 01:39:46,810
get misleading or right right you know

2058
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:49,820
ineffective or even malevolent perhaps

2059
01:39:56,140 --> 01:39:52,489
in really you know rare but but bad

2060
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:56,150
cases information or activity and that's

2061
01:39:59,140 --> 01:39:57,530
where all this horror movie stuff comes

2062
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,150
from but in the real world it's not

2063
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:02,000
nearly that dramatic but magic is all

2064
01:40:05,950 --> 01:40:04,130
about you know it's almost like a

2065
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:05,960
programming language for that stuff the

2066
01:40:08,650 --> 01:40:07,310
same goes for psychedelics you know

2067
01:40:11,650 --> 01:40:08,660
people go straight into this stuff

2068
01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:11,660
without without knowing what they're

2069
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:14,260
doing and magic provides the science of

2070
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:16,510
interacting with those things in a

2071
01:40:21,290 --> 01:40:18,510
logical straight

2072
01:40:22,910 --> 01:40:21,300
and clean and clearer way I'll tell you

2073
01:40:26,510 --> 01:40:22,920
something funny

2074
01:40:29,150 --> 01:40:26,520
this crystal skull here which I had

2075
01:40:32,420 --> 01:40:29,160
ginormous right here it is and we were

2076
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:32,430
doing which I'd never done before the

2077
01:40:40,610 --> 01:40:37,560
uninitiated right and so was a crystal

2078
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,620
skull ceremony and so I sit down with

2079
01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:42,960
some friends and this skull was sitting

2080
01:40:47,630 --> 01:40:45,300
in front of me and I sit down

2081
01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:47,640
being the doofus that I am hey what are

2082
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:50,220
you guys doing can I come hang out right

2083
01:40:58,490 --> 01:40:53,460
so I sit down and we go through the

2084
01:41:01,190 --> 01:40:58,500
ceremony and this skull as I pick it up

2085
01:41:03,620 --> 01:41:01,200
and I'm holding it in my hand and I as

2086
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:03,630
sure as I'm sitting here talking to you

2087
01:41:14,570 --> 01:41:07,440
this is what happened the skull goes my

2088
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:14,580
name is Jose right in my head yeah and I

2089
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:18,210
and I was like what and I just said to

2090
01:41:26,630 --> 01:41:21,930
everybody I go dude the skull just said

2091
01:41:29,180 --> 01:41:26,640
his name was Jose and that's it and Jose

2092
01:41:32,270 --> 01:41:29,190
was gifted to me and he's been mine ever

2093
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:32,280
since and and he sits in here with me in

2094
01:41:38,990 --> 01:41:35,070
the bunker he told you anything else

2095
01:41:41,420 --> 01:41:39,000
that's personal ok ok I'll tell you what

2096
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:41,430
I've told this story many times but this

2097
01:41:48,110 --> 01:41:46,800
is what happened the audience's is going

2098
01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:48,120
okay here we go but this is what

2099
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:50,430
happened so that night after he names

2100
01:41:57,860 --> 01:41:54,600
himself right Rita and I go into our

2101
01:42:00,110 --> 01:41:57,870
hotel room and we sit down it's about

2102
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:00,120
midnight or so 1:00 in the morning

2103
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:04,850
midnight and and we had a bunch of food

2104
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:07,890
we're eating in bed and we had chicken

2105
01:42:12,110 --> 01:42:09,690
wings and we had you know hotel food

2106
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:12,120
that we had delivered right you know

2107
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:14,850
whatever the late night menu but next to

2108
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:20,450
me on the nightstand to my left I have

2109
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:25,380
two bottles two big bottles of

2110
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:28,320
dr. pepper and I couldn't order anything

2111
01:42:31,939 --> 01:42:30,090
healthy off of the late-night many right

2112
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:31,949
so I ordered you know dr. pepper

2113
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:35,370
whatever and so the bottles are sitting

2114
01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:38,760
on my nightstand to my left and Rita and

2115
01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:42,060
I so we bring the Crystal Skull in bed

2116
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:45,150
and he's sitting there and I turned to

2117
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:47,610
Rita and I go so how are the chicken

2118
01:42:52,570 --> 01:42:49,590
wings and she's literally biting into a

2119
01:42:55,490 --> 01:42:52,580
chicken wing and then all of a sudden

2120
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:55,500
like what was that and I look to my left

2121
01:43:02,930 --> 01:42:59,040
and one of the dr. pepper bottles is

2122
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:02,940
gone and I looked over on the other side

2123
01:43:07,610 --> 01:43:04,850
of the there it is it's on the floor and

2124
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:07,620
I pick it up and I thought wow that's

2125
01:43:13,340 --> 01:43:10,050
weird it slid off how could it slide off

2126
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:13,350
what right and it's full and I put it

2127
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,520
back on the nightstand and I turn to

2128
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:19,679
Rita and I said so how are those chicken

2129
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:23,489
wings and I wanted to know and I turned

2130
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:27,570
and the dr. pepper is gone again and now

2131
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:30,090
I'm talking about it's a foot from the

2132
01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:32,610
edge by the way it's not like on the

2133
01:43:39,169 --> 01:43:35,219
edge you know I pick it up and I said

2134
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:39,179
that was weird and I put it back on the

2135
01:43:43,580 --> 01:43:39,900
nightstand

2136
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:43,590
now I back it up and and now it's in the

2137
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:47,250
center of the nightstand and I turned to

2138
01:43:58,100 --> 01:43:50,250
Rita and I said so how about those

2139
01:44:01,580 --> 01:43:58,110
chicken wings way and I read it I didn't

2140
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:01,590
even want to turn around I didn't and I

2141
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:04,050
said if that dr. pepper is on the floor

2142
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:06,170
and I turn around and look and it was

2143
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,110
gone and I didn't leaned over on the bed

2144
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:12,480
and I picked it up and I put it back on

2145
01:44:16,490 --> 01:44:13,530
the nightstand

2146
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:16,500
I took the crystal skull and I moved it

2147
01:44:22,729 --> 01:44:19,770
to the other side of the room and put it

2148
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:22,739
on the table I said man Jose that's not

2149
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,489
cool man

2150
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:26,159
and I put him on the dresser and let him

2151
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:29,010
sit and the dr. pepper didn't fall for

2152
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:31,530
the rest of the night oh oh no no I take

2153
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:34,920
that back Rita in the morning it was on

2154
01:44:38,570 --> 01:44:37,199
the floor right I'll have to have her

2155
01:44:40,130 --> 01:44:38,580
text in

2156
01:44:42,290 --> 01:44:40,140
I think it was on the floor in the

2157
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:42,300
morning but but it was weird and it was

2158
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:44,550
just like a minute apart who wouldn't

2159
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:47,130
and I thank goodness I didn't see it do

2160
01:44:51,980 --> 01:44:49,320
it that would have that would have put

2161
01:44:55,730 --> 01:44:51,990
me over the edge so yeah yeah there's a

2162
01:44:57,740 --> 01:44:55,740
little juice here in in Jose Wow well

2163
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,750
this has now become like inverting we

2164
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:59,520
become the greatest commercial for dr.

2165
01:45:03,770 --> 01:45:00,840
pepper ever because now we know what

2166
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:03,780
spirits want it specifically dr. pepper

2167
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:05,730
you know what so the next day I'm

2168
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:09,390
speaking and I share this story there's

2169
01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:11,250
like five hundred people in front of me

2170
01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:16,350
and and I tell the story to everybody

2171
01:45:21,710 --> 01:45:19,080
Oh Rita said we left it on the floor the

2172
01:45:24,020 --> 01:45:21,720
third time that's what hahahaha that's

2173
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:24,030
right that's right she's right I didn't

2174
01:45:27,530 --> 01:45:25,890
choose to move it back up to the

2175
01:45:29,930 --> 01:45:27,540
nightstand that's what it was and the

2176
01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:29,940
third time it stayed on the floor so the

2177
01:45:36,890 --> 01:45:33,870
next day I tell the story to a huge room

2178
01:45:39,230 --> 01:45:36,900
full of people after I let the stage had

2179
01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:39,240
people coming up to me going it was it

2180
01:45:48,710 --> 01:45:42,630
was Jose telling you not to drink dr.

2181
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:48,720
pepper no maybe he wanted you to pour

2182
01:45:54,350 --> 01:45:50,970
about like a little glass of dr. pepper

2183
01:45:57,470 --> 01:45:54,360
I challenge you to pour some dr. pepper

2184
01:45:59,240 --> 01:45:57,480
out in a glass for and offer it to Jose

2185
01:46:00,890 --> 01:45:59,250
and maybe put some incense or something

2186
01:46:03,020 --> 01:46:00,900
and just just see what happens I'll do

2187
01:46:04,730 --> 01:46:03,030
it I'll do it I'll do it like that it

2188
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:04,740
gets I mean like imagine not having a

2189
01:46:08,420 --> 01:46:06,480
body people get cold and hungry out

2190
01:46:10,730 --> 01:46:08,430
there in the spirit world yes it's just

2191
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:10,740
the biggest one a little you know one a

2192
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:12,210
little little dr. pepper

2193
01:46:17,930 --> 01:46:14,940
yeah a little uh a little glucose fix a

2194
01:46:19,220 --> 01:46:17,940
little de frutos little corn syrup those

2195
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:19,230
are the secrets of the occult right

2196
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:21,510
there from dr. D from dr. D to dr.

2197
01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:23,040
pepper yeah see it'll keep you alive

2198
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:25,590
forever that's the answer to alchemy

2199
01:46:34,610 --> 01:46:30,210
corn syrup live forever okay so back to

2200
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:34,620
John D so that period after Edward all

2201
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:36,690
its you know John D is no longer with us

2202
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:40,290
right that period more more is he was

2203
01:46:50,010 --> 01:46:42,570
right right right right right right

2204
01:46:52,770 --> 01:46:50,020
how long did did his did his work

2205
01:46:55,050 --> 01:46:52,780
with the communication with the angels

2206
01:46:58,260 --> 01:46:55,060
and and all of his notes and stuff did

2207
01:47:01,440 --> 01:46:58,270
that immediately go into those different

2208
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:01,450
occult societies and circles or was it

2209
01:47:06,330 --> 01:47:04,270
later picked up that actually did I mean

2210
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:06,340
the Rosicrucians happen the Rosicrucian

2211
01:47:11,190 --> 01:47:09,250
manifestoes began circulating I think

2212
01:47:13,710 --> 01:47:11,200
not you know not more than five years

2213
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:13,720
after Dee's death and the Rosen

2214
01:47:20,130 --> 01:47:16,180
Rosicrucian manifestoes were a series of

2215
01:47:22,110 --> 01:47:20,140
three documents that started to appear

2216
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:22,120
in the European underground in the early

2217
01:47:25,530 --> 01:47:22,930
1600s

2218
01:47:27,780 --> 01:47:25,540
that said you know there's this secret

2219
01:47:29,820 --> 01:47:27,790
society of Invisibles out there who are

2220
01:47:34,590 --> 01:47:29,830
investigating the secrets of nature and

2221
01:47:37,860 --> 01:47:34,600
what and and the occult and all you have

2222
01:47:40,770 --> 01:47:37,870
to do to join us is take some dramatic

2223
01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:40,780
public action for free saya for free

2224
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:43,480
thinking and reason and claim it for the

2225
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:46,030
Rosicrucians not yourself and so by

2226
01:47:50,370 --> 01:47:47,890
doing that of course now people started

2227
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:50,380
doing this all over Europe and creating

2228
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:52,450
like a magic trick creating the

2229
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:54,370
Rosicrucians out of nothing because even

2230
01:47:58,740 --> 01:47:56,410
if it was a an urban legend even if it

2231
01:48:01,440 --> 01:47:58,750
didn't exist in a real at that point

2232
01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:01,450
didn't exist it existed now when people

2233
01:48:04,770 --> 01:48:03,400
started trying to contact the

2234
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:04,780
Rosicrucians and becoming the

2235
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:06,730
Rosicrucians in the process and by the

2236
01:48:12,660 --> 01:48:09,330
way some of the people who did this were

2237
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:12,670
Rene Descartes I believe Isaac Newton

2238
01:48:17,130 --> 01:48:15,520
later on Francis Bacon definitely you

2239
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:17,140
know many of the early scientists but

2240
01:48:20,910 --> 01:48:19,090
those Rosicrucian manifestoes included a

2241
01:48:23,790 --> 01:48:20,920
lot of these ideas they included his

2242
01:48:26,130 --> 01:48:23,800
hieroglyphic monad symbol they included

2243
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,140
you know when Francis Bacon started to

2244
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:27,760
roll with that and wrote a book called a

2245
01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:31,810
New Atlantis where he said that the new

2246
01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:33,340
world should be colonized as a

2247
01:48:39,150 --> 01:48:36,670
Rosicrucian country full of free

2248
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:39,160
thinkers who can pursue religious

2249
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:41,110
liberty away from the church which by

2250
01:48:46,590 --> 01:48:44,110
the way that myth became real in the

2251
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:46,600
founding of America by the Free Masonic

2252
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:49,690
founding fathers the Freemasonry also

2253
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:51,010
directly connected to the Rosicrucianism

2254
01:48:58,230 --> 01:48:56,410
at this time well this was all straight

2255
01:49:00,060 --> 01:48:58,240
out of DS work in his thinking and his

2256
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:00,070
spiritual ideas and the stuff that came

2257
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:03,250
out of the angelic sessions and you know

2258
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:06,400
ideas about empire all started to

2259
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:11,380
circulate right away and you know having

2260
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:17,250
a huge impact huge huge huge the the

2261
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,540
movement of John Dee through these

2262
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:23,920
circles I will say I don't like to say

2263
01:49:30,570 --> 01:49:26,530
occult because he influenced others too

2264
01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:30,580
as well but was the movement quick I

2265
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:35,230
mean was it accepted right away it was

2266
01:49:40,530 --> 01:49:37,960
quick for its time period there was of

2267
01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:40,540
course a lot of pushback also but what

2268
01:49:44,130 --> 01:49:42,550
you have to kind of the way that I came

2269
01:49:47,540 --> 01:49:44,140
to look at it where you have to think of

2270
01:49:50,850 --> 01:49:47,550
here is it's kind of two competing gangs

2271
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:50,860
or or two competing clusters of gangs

2272
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:52,810
who are competing for what reality is

2273
01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:54,790
going to become at this time so on one

2274
01:49:58,710 --> 01:49:56,860
side you have kind of the occult

2275
01:50:01,560 --> 01:49:58,720
thinkers the free thinkers the early

2276
01:50:03,870 --> 01:50:01,570
scientists the the Freemasons the

2277
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:03,880
Rosicrucians and on the others height on

2278
01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:05,530
the other side you have the Jesuits and

2279
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:07,240
the Franciscans and the other Catholic

2280
01:50:14,010 --> 01:50:10,330
and Holy Orders who are doing everything

2281
01:50:16,350 --> 01:50:14,020
that they can to stamp out this new

2282
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:16,360
rebellion this new movement towards free

2283
01:50:20,910 --> 01:50:17,890
thinking and doing that either

2284
01:50:23,550 --> 01:50:20,920
physically brutally or through

2285
01:50:25,380 --> 01:50:23,560
propaganda by for instance spreading the

2286
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:25,390
rumor that Rosicrucians are all

2287
01:50:29,730 --> 01:50:27,880
Satanists and engaged in horrible rites

2288
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:29,740
and sacrifice and all this stuff to

2289
01:50:35,190 --> 01:50:31,600
scare people away from these new ideas

2290
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:35,200
and what wasn't a cold war at that time

2291
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:39,610
a gang war between two competing you

2292
01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:42,490
know tribes of intellectuals basically

2293
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:45,640
that culminated in the 30 Years War and

2294
01:50:50,060 --> 01:50:47,410
it just brutal it was a horrible war

2295
01:50:52,590 --> 01:50:50,070
that's swept throughout Europe and and

2296
01:50:54,030 --> 01:50:52,600
continues continued all the way up to

2297
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:54,040
the 20th century I mean you know the

2298
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:56,050
Catholics and the Protestants still

2299
01:51:03,090 --> 01:50:57,760
fighting brutally in places like

2300
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:03,100
Northern Ireland sadly so but that's

2301
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:04,630
kind of what the deal was at the time

2302
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:06,840
but yeah those ideas spread very quickly

2303
01:51:10,650 --> 01:51:09,520
for their time period you know that was

2304
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:10,660
before the internet but they had the

2305
01:51:14,850 --> 01:51:11,890
printing press and they were able to

2306
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,860
publish pamphlets and and pass them

2307
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:16,560
covertly and you know under the

2308
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:19,260
shadows from a hand-to-hand of eager

2309
01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:21,780
secret too eager seeker now and the

2310
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:23,880
reason why I bring that up is I was

2311
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:26,330
there push back and you always have

2312
01:51:30,650 --> 01:51:29,280
opposition no matter what and you have

2313
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:30,660
people that are gonna challenge the

2314
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,450
ideas for their own reasons whether it's

2315
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:35,760
ego or maybe they have something valid

2316
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:40,410
but it was their push back or was he

2317
01:51:45,980 --> 01:51:44,850
just you know just given a Hall Pass you

2318
01:51:48,830 --> 01:51:45,990
know what I mean that it was just an

2319
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:48,840
open door and they brought him in oh boy

2320
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:51,210
was there ever pushback right when we're

2321
01:51:55,610 --> 01:51:53,370
talking about I mean again the jet when

2322
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:55,620
Wendy and Kelly were in Prague they went

2323
01:51:59,630 --> 01:51:57,210
from England to Europe to try and spread

2324
01:52:02,480 --> 01:51:59,640
those ideas directly in Central Europe

2325
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:02,490
the Jesuits tried to kill them they had

2326
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:06,330
tried to bring them to the Vatican to

2327
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,010
probably to be tortured and killed they

2328
01:52:11,870 --> 01:52:10,560
tried to run off with all of their

2329
01:52:14,690 --> 01:52:11,880
manuscripts all their writing from the

2330
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:14,700
angelic sessions and in fact there was a

2331
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:16,860
there was a incredible story from this

2332
01:52:21,230 --> 01:52:18,810
time period where Dee and Kelly are

2333
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:21,240
running this is unbelievable Dee and

2334
01:52:29,150 --> 01:52:25,110
Kelly are running from the Jesuit or the

2335
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:29,160
the papal nuncio and and the angels

2336
01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:31,710
appear to them and they say burn all of

2337
01:52:37,340 --> 01:52:34,920
your spirit Diaries they have 25 volumes

2338
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:37,350
of everything the Angels had been saying

2339
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:39,090
to them over the last six or seven years

2340
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:42,510
they're commanded to burn them they burn

2341
01:52:47,780 --> 01:52:46,050
them in the fireplace and it's like God

2342
01:52:49,730 --> 01:52:47,790
telling them what to do in their mind so

2343
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:49,740
they do it right they burn all of this

2344
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:52,410
stuff so that it can't be taken by the

2345
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:54,540
Jesuits and then a couple months later

2346
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:56,970
Kelly is walking in a field and he sees

2347
01:53:02,330 --> 01:52:59,400
an apparition where there's a guy moving

2348
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:02,340
with his feet hovering just like a foot

2349
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:05,850
off the ground and hovers over to a tree

2350
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:08,730
and then commands Kelly to go back up to

2351
01:53:13,310 --> 01:53:10,410
the fireplace where the books were

2352
01:53:15,260 --> 01:53:13,320
burned and which he does with Dede and

2353
01:53:18,140 --> 01:53:15,270
Kelly both go up there and then they see

2354
01:53:22,220 --> 01:53:18,150
a doorway of light open up in the back

2355
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:22,230
of the fireplace and a spectral hand you

2356
01:53:26,210 --> 01:53:23,580
know this is what they say at least a

2357
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:26,220
spectral hand reaches out of the doorway

2358
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:27,810
of light and starts handing them back

2359
01:53:32,430 --> 01:53:30,130
the books one at a time and

2360
01:53:34,110 --> 01:53:32,440
they have all of them back and this is

2361
01:53:36,419 --> 01:53:34,120
now when they're out of danger of being

2362
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,429
killed and they basically said you know

2363
01:53:41,129 --> 01:53:38,800
we did this so they you you wouldn't be

2364
01:53:44,370 --> 01:53:41,139
killed by the jesuits and all of those

2365
01:53:46,620 --> 01:53:44,380
books still exist so you know it's a

2366
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:46,630
pretty hair-raising story a noble story

2367
01:53:54,780 --> 01:53:50,800
it's an incredible story and as and when

2368
01:53:56,939 --> 01:53:54,790
I read that in the book there was a

2369
01:53:59,959 --> 01:53:56,949
thought that went through my head about

2370
01:54:05,610 --> 01:53:59,969
you know the last years of Dee's life

2371
01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:05,620
were were tragic he lost his mind and so

2372
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,110
now what do I do with this kind of

2373
01:54:18,330 --> 01:54:14,430
this memory could it be something else

2374
01:54:23,070 --> 01:54:18,340
here that is whatever I want to say that

2375
01:54:25,740 --> 01:54:23,080
that is being preserved for us today but

2376
01:54:27,780 --> 01:54:25,750
it couldn't have been something else you

2377
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:27,790
know and I don't want to speak

2378
01:54:33,570 --> 01:54:30,670
critically of LD but you know where I'm

2379
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:33,580
going with this well deed did not did

2380
01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:36,400
not was his mind he he had a lot of

2381
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:38,020
tragedies in his life I mean in the

2382
01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:39,520
later part of his life after all this

2383
01:54:44,939 --> 01:54:43,030
ended he came back to England and he was

2384
01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:44,949
kind of put out to pasture in Manchester

2385
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:47,500
as an academic and the real tragedy of

2386
01:54:51,870 --> 01:54:49,170
this time is that the plague hit

2387
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:51,880
Manchester and he lost his wife and

2388
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:54,730
several of his children to the leg and

2389
01:55:00,450 --> 01:54:56,770
he finally he had financial struggles

2390
01:55:02,580 --> 01:55:00,460
and but he he was doing he was quite

2391
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:02,590
sharp by the end he was doing very well

2392
01:55:07,919 --> 01:55:05,679
he continued to do scrying to the end of

2393
01:55:14,399 --> 01:55:07,929
his life he he certainly did not lose

2394
01:55:16,649 --> 01:55:14,409
his mind and he probably rose as high as

2395
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:16,659
he could of in society all considered

2396
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:19,630
given you know anyone of his class and

2397
01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:22,330
background you know he rose as high as

2398
01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:23,710
he could have given his class in

2399
01:55:27,689 --> 01:55:25,480
background that's what he didn't do that

2400
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:27,699
bad and he certainly did face tragedies

2401
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:30,010
but look you know it was yeah it was

2402
01:55:35,220 --> 01:55:33,010
like the early 1600s the late 1500s like

2403
01:55:37,500 --> 01:55:35,230
life such then you know nobody got off

2404
01:55:38,830 --> 01:55:37,510
easy well that that's interesting that

2405
01:55:41,979 --> 01:55:38,840
you put it that

2406
01:55:43,390 --> 01:55:41,989
way because you know and I've you've

2407
01:55:50,109 --> 01:55:43,400
read the same things that I have read

2408
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:50,119
there are some reports were that but

2409
01:55:53,620 --> 01:55:51,440
what are the words that I want to use

2410
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,630
when I say insane it could be a lot of

2411
01:55:57,820 --> 01:55:55,760
different things so you're saying that

2412
01:56:00,850 --> 01:55:57,830
he'd he never he never lost his

2413
01:56:03,010 --> 01:56:00,860
faculties are any and nothing like that

2414
01:56:04,930 --> 01:56:03,020
nothing nothing like that he did not

2415
01:56:06,820 --> 01:56:04,940
have anything like Alzheimer's or

2416
01:56:09,250 --> 01:56:06,830
dementia like that he was sharp as a

2417
01:56:11,950 --> 01:56:09,260
tack to the end he was working as a as a

2418
01:56:13,870 --> 01:56:11,960
professor and an academic you know he

2419
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:13,880
was never that financially well-off but

2420
01:56:19,379 --> 01:56:16,580
no there was nothing of that sort

2421
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:19,389
you know Kelly's a different issue Kelly

2422
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:21,770
did probably did have mental health

2423
01:56:27,250 --> 01:56:25,760
issues along with alcoholism and a lot

2424
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:27,260
of other stuff and Kelly and that are

2425
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:30,800
much more untimely and in that in the

2426
01:56:35,950 --> 01:56:33,770
late after D in Kelly's sessions in the

2427
01:56:38,589 --> 01:56:35,960
late 15 80s when they were in Central

2428
01:56:41,709 --> 01:56:38,599
Europe Kelly was given an offer by the

2429
01:56:44,410 --> 01:56:41,719
Holy Roman Emperor to come and do

2430
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,420
alchemy for him and make gold and so he

2431
01:56:48,850 --> 01:56:46,639
threw D under the bus and said well I

2432
01:56:50,140 --> 01:56:48,860
can do it myself I don't need John D I

2433
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:50,150
don't need my mentor I've learned

2434
01:56:55,570 --> 01:56:52,070
everything I can from him and he went

2435
01:56:57,550 --> 01:56:55,580
off with Rudolph to make his fortune but

2436
01:56:59,560 --> 01:56:57,560
of course Rudolph the Holy Roman Emperor

2437
01:57:01,780 --> 01:56:59,570
decided just to throw him in prison and

2438
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:01,790
say well you know do it for free now

2439
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:04,810
because now you're my prisoner and Kelly

2440
01:57:09,310 --> 01:57:07,730
died shortly thereafter it's possible he

2441
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:09,320
may have died jumping out of a window

2442
01:57:14,050 --> 01:57:12,530
trying to escape prison and may have

2443
01:57:16,570 --> 01:57:14,060
broken his legs and died shortly

2444
01:57:17,919 --> 01:57:16,580
thereafter so but I wouldn't say that

2445
01:57:19,660 --> 01:57:17,929
Kelly quite lost his mind either

2446
01:57:22,510 --> 01:57:19,670
although he definitely was on the ropes

2447
01:57:24,609 --> 01:57:22,520
during the sessions you know you know

2448
01:57:26,740 --> 01:57:24,619
what's interesting about that period as

2449
01:57:28,770 --> 01:57:26,750
we head into the break and I thought

2450
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:28,780
about this so much over the years

2451
01:57:35,260 --> 01:57:33,050
Rudolph the rumors are all over Europe

2452
01:57:38,500 --> 01:57:35,270
about Rudolph at that time right and

2453
01:57:41,919 --> 01:57:38,510
he's got money he's spending it he's

2454
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:41,929
interested in all of this secret stuff

2455
01:57:51,149 --> 01:57:47,330
and so in that element where Kahneman is

2456
01:57:54,270 --> 01:57:51,159
the the way that I want to use this term

2457
01:57:56,850 --> 01:57:54,280
they they came out from everywhere and

2458
01:57:57,529 --> 01:57:56,860
once you start to spread that out on the

2459
01:57:59,969 --> 01:57:57,539
streets

2460
01:58:00,859 --> 01:57:59,979
everybody was heading to rudolph at that

2461
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:00,869
time weren't they

2462
01:58:06,449 --> 01:58:03,610
yeah well I mean it's just late now any

2463
01:58:08,699 --> 01:58:06,459
any time but there was a you know an OP

2464
01:58:11,250 --> 01:58:08,709
like a gold rush or an opportunity even

2465
01:58:13,049 --> 01:58:11,260
people to make money that's gonna happen

2466
01:58:15,209 --> 01:58:13,059
and you know I think it's very similar

2467
01:58:17,009 --> 01:58:15,219
to today for instance blockchain and

2468
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:17,019
cryptocurrency perhaps you know where

2469
01:58:20,129 --> 01:58:18,639
there's this you know radical new

2470
01:58:21,779 --> 01:58:20,139
technology has come out and it's

2471
01:58:23,429 --> 01:58:21,789
fascinating and revolutionary but

2472
01:58:25,379 --> 01:58:23,439
there's a lot of hucksters in it in the

2473
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:25,389
works also right in the mix it's the

2474
01:58:29,459 --> 01:58:26,800
same with alchemy I mean it you know

2475
01:58:31,469 --> 01:58:29,469
anyone could and because alchemy no but

2476
01:58:34,259 --> 01:58:31,479
you really understood it similar to some

2477
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:34,269
technology things now anyone could kind

2478
01:58:38,250 --> 01:58:35,650
of come out of the woodwork and say oh

2479
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:38,260
yeah like you know I can I can make gold

2480
01:58:41,459 --> 01:58:40,090
for you no problem just give me you know

2481
01:58:42,959 --> 01:58:41,469
ten million dollars to set up a

2482
01:58:45,179 --> 01:58:42,969
laboratory and then they vanish who

2483
01:58:47,370 --> 01:58:45,189
weekly never to be heard from again

2484
01:58:50,429 --> 01:58:47,380
the rules a lot of that it's the Rudolf

2485
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:50,439
gold rush never thought of it that way

2486
01:58:56,009 --> 01:58:53,050
but that's exactly how it was going down

2487
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,019
and if you were really good all you did

2488
01:59:00,479 --> 01:58:58,719
was delay you know I need a I need a

2489
01:59:02,069 --> 01:59:00,489
couple of more months I need a couple of

2490
01:59:06,989 --> 01:59:02,079
more months I need a couple more months

2491
01:59:11,489 --> 01:59:06,999
and I'm close I'm close well it's it's

2492
01:59:13,799 --> 01:59:11,499
like the perfect thing for for that for

2493
01:59:16,319 --> 01:59:13,809
that period and for the big con and and

2494
01:59:18,270 --> 01:59:16,329
well Rudolf when he got taken to the

2495
01:59:20,850 --> 01:59:18,280
ringer whoo man take him through it

2496
01:59:22,439 --> 01:59:20,860
let's take a break right here it's a

2497
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:22,449
good spot to do it because when we come

2498
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:26,320
back Jason let's let's go to where we

2499
01:59:32,969 --> 01:59:30,880
are today and and the modern era of all

2500
01:59:36,839 --> 01:59:32,979
of this we've got to discuss Crowley and

2501
01:59:38,899 --> 01:59:36,849
Anton LaVey and and the maybe even a

2502
01:59:41,459 --> 01:59:38,909
little of levansky are you down for that

2503
01:59:42,959 --> 01:59:41,469
totally let's do it this is fade to

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01:59:45,359 --> 01:59:42,969
black I'm your host Amy Church I guess

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tonight Jason Louvre and we're talking

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amazing I'm holding it over the camera

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01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:52,059
John Dee and the Empire of Angels check

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it out look how thick that is it's a

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just all kinds of occult symbols and

2610
02:05:03,400 --> 02:04:59,780
stuff I just forced you into it right

2611
02:05:08,230 --> 02:05:03,410
there this is this is what's crazy out

2612
02:05:11,770 --> 02:05:08,240
of out of the entire John Dee story and

2613
02:05:14,410 --> 02:05:11,780
it is in as incredible as anything out

2614
02:05:17,500 --> 02:05:14,420
there especially for people that love to

2615
02:05:19,390 --> 02:05:17,510
research like I do is this at the

2616
02:05:22,030 --> 02:05:19,400
beginning of the show tonight

2617
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:22,040
one of the first tweets that came in

2618
02:05:28,270 --> 02:05:26,930
said John Dee the foundation of the NSA

2619
02:05:30,340 --> 02:05:28,280
right and that was one of the first

2620
02:05:35,530 --> 02:05:30,350
tweets and and and somebody wrote that

2621
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:35,540
and it's true and one of the quotes the

2622
02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:38,210
famous you know our man Dee quote that

2623
02:05:43,090 --> 02:05:39,830
came out of the NSA we'll talk about

2624
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:43,100
that in a second but I'm looking at

2625
02:05:48,700 --> 02:05:46,880
right now I'm at NSA dot gov right one

2626
02:05:53,470 --> 02:05:48,710
of the creepiest websites in the world

2627
02:05:56,530 --> 02:05:53,480
NSA dot gov and they have files and

2628
02:06:00,700 --> 02:05:56,540
assets on John Dee and you can go and

2629
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:00,710
read from the NSA on their own website

2630
02:06:07,510 --> 02:06:06,050
how crazy is that oh yeah I mean Dee Dee

2631
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:07,520
was right there again the original

2632
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:08,570
double-oh-seven

2633
02:06:14,230 --> 02:06:10,070
you know why how could they not love him

2634
02:06:16,810 --> 02:06:14,240
he was he was responsible for creating

2635
02:06:20,050 --> 02:06:16,820
with Sir Francis Walsingham what became

2636
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:20,060
mi5 and mi6 so the British intelligence

2637
02:06:26,410 --> 02:06:24,410
services and perhaps we might argue GCHQ

2638
02:06:30,780 --> 02:06:26,420
which is the British equivalent of the

2639
02:06:33,810 --> 02:06:30,790
NSA but absolutely the NSA and the CIA

2640
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:33,820
studied him at length and I quote all

2641
02:06:38,910 --> 02:06:35,650
that research in the book because it's

2642
02:06:40,590 --> 02:06:38,920
publicly available but yeah you know

2643
02:06:42,090 --> 02:06:40,600
they were they were they were fascinated

2644
02:06:43,590 --> 02:06:42,100
with him because he's just like them you

2645
02:06:45,900 --> 02:06:43,600
know he was a spook he was a government

2646
02:06:51,140 --> 02:06:45,910
contractor you know so they're looking

2647
02:06:55,970 --> 02:06:51,150
to him you know as a kindred spirit this

2648
02:06:58,920 --> 02:06:55,980
this document on NSA gov which is a

2649
02:07:02,010 --> 02:06:58,930
really fun read it's pretty amazing

2650
02:07:04,530 --> 02:07:02,020
but this there's this one line here and

2651
02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:04,540
I believe it's in the book too as well I

2652
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:07,330
could be wrong you can correct me but

2653
02:07:13,260 --> 02:07:09,850
the the last sentence in one of these

2654
02:07:16,890 --> 02:07:13,270
paragraphs it was talking about D he was

2655
02:07:19,140 --> 02:07:16,900
all by himself a RAND Corporation for

2656
02:07:22,290 --> 02:07:19,150
the tooter government of Elizabeth end

2657
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:22,300
quote and I that is about as heavy as it

2658
02:07:25,050 --> 02:07:22,960
gets

2659
02:07:27,620 --> 02:07:25,060
isn't that crazy yeah I mean that's what

2660
02:07:29,850 --> 02:07:27,630
the the conclusion the NSA came to him

2661
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:29,860
when they were researching him in the in

2662
02:07:36,060 --> 02:07:33,730
the 1960s 1967 I think this document

2663
02:07:38,459 --> 02:07:36,070
came out yeah and it was published

2664
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:38,469
approved for release how would you like

2665
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:42,130
to have this a document by Jason Lou on

2666
02:07:48,479 --> 02:07:44,530
the NSA website that says approved for

2667
02:07:52,620 --> 02:07:48,489
release by the NSA 11:29 mm wonder

2668
02:07:55,260 --> 02:07:52,630
without the consist trans transparency

2669
02:07:58,130 --> 02:07:55,270
case number six three eight five to buy

2670
02:08:01,020 --> 02:07:58,140
all my all my internet browser histories

2671
02:08:03,380 --> 02:08:01,030
mad absolutely nuts

2672
02:08:08,459 --> 02:08:03,390
all right let's so let's go back fiat

2673
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:08,469
Theosophical society Blavatsky and what

2674
02:08:14,190 --> 02:08:11,440
was going on in the late 1800s at the

2675
02:08:17,670 --> 02:08:14,200
turn of the century it seemed like there

2676
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:17,680
were a lot of these societies that were

2677
02:08:23,490 --> 02:08:22,000
forming based on a lot of ancient meant

2678
02:08:26,900 --> 02:08:23,500
when I say ancient you know going back

2679
02:08:29,550 --> 02:08:26,910
through ancient history and and and

2680
02:08:32,490 --> 02:08:29,560
alchemy and and different materials but

2681
02:08:33,410 --> 02:08:32,500
John Dee propped up a lot of these

2682
02:08:36,930 --> 02:08:33,420
societies

2683
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:36,940
yeah well the Victorians were obsessed

2684
02:08:41,220 --> 02:08:38,710
with the occult you know they were

2685
02:08:42,780 --> 02:08:41,230
fascinated both in you know England and

2686
02:08:44,370 --> 02:08:42,790
in America they were fascinated by

2687
02:08:47,250 --> 02:08:44,380
spiritualism

2688
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:47,260
yes theosophy Blavatsky they were

2689
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,599
fascinated with Egyptology and by the

2690
02:08:54,419 --> 02:08:51,040
way one of the craziest things about

2691
02:08:56,879 --> 02:08:54,429
this time period is ancient Egypt was

2692
02:08:58,500 --> 02:08:56,889
not even unearthed until the Victorian

2693
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,510
period some people were just being

2694
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:00,400
exposed to Egypt for the first time

2695
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,520
Egypt is kind of a modern creation in a

2696
02:09:07,260 --> 02:09:04,960
way what we know about it and also

2697
02:09:09,479 --> 02:09:07,270
Sumeria at this time was just dug up out

2698
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:09,489
of the desert and nobody even knew that

2699
02:09:16,140 --> 02:09:13,360
culture even existed like go Bielecki

2700
02:09:17,790 --> 02:09:16,150
Tepe or something like that yeah it was

2701
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,800
they had hints that it might have

2702
02:09:20,970 --> 02:09:19,360
existed in the Bible but until they

2703
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:20,980
unearthed it nobody even knew it was

2704
02:09:25,740 --> 02:09:23,530
there so all this stuff is being dug up

2705
02:09:29,010 --> 02:09:25,750
at this time and people are obsessed

2706
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:29,020
with the spirit world you know people

2707
02:09:35,879 --> 02:09:32,110
were very goth at this time and of

2708
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:35,889
course but in in him in that craze for

2709
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:38,530
spirituality which you know I might

2710
02:09:45,660 --> 02:09:42,159
argue spiritual crazes happen when there

2711
02:09:48,209 --> 02:09:45,670
are crisis points and civilizations when

2712
02:09:50,490 --> 02:09:48,219
people are uncertain about the future so

2713
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:50,500
I don't be so it's no surprise that

2714
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:53,440
they've turned to other sources for

2715
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:55,570
comfort or certainty and for instance

2716
02:10:00,000 --> 02:09:57,040
when the wall when the wall came down

2717
02:10:02,129 --> 02:10:00,010
and the Soviet Union fell that whole

2718
02:10:05,419 --> 02:10:02,139
generation of kids that grew up in the

2719
02:10:08,010 --> 02:10:05,429
former USSR were all fascinated with

2720
02:10:09,780 --> 02:10:08,020
psychic phenomena and the occult and

2721
02:10:12,180 --> 02:10:09,790
some of the most like turned on and

2722
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:12,190
awake and spiritual people I've met in

2723
02:10:15,780 --> 02:10:14,170
my entire life come from the Eastern

2724
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:15,790
Bloc countries or grew up in that

2725
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:17,650
environment and so I don't think it's

2726
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,040
any surprise now where America is in the

2727
02:10:24,780 --> 02:10:23,199
West are in such turmoil that people are

2728
02:10:26,669 --> 02:10:24,790
interested in these things once again

2729
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:26,679
and so at this time you know the British

2730
02:10:32,700 --> 02:10:28,480
Empire was kind of coming to an end the

2731
02:10:34,260 --> 02:10:32,710
Empire that D had founded was now coming

2732
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:34,270
to an end and people were becoming

2733
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:36,610
immersed in spiritualism and the occult

2734
02:10:43,229 --> 02:10:39,040
to get some more some more certainty in

2735
02:10:45,959 --> 02:10:43,239
their lives and but yeah so the most

2736
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,969
interesting part of this entire time in

2737
02:10:49,530 --> 02:10:47,920
my opinion was a an occult society

2738
02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:49,540
called the Hermetic order of the Golden

2739
02:10:54,959 --> 02:10:52,329
Dawn which included among its members

2740
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:54,969
the poet WB Yeats the famous actress

2741
02:11:00,210 --> 02:10:57,760
Florence Farr Bram Stoker the off

2742
02:11:02,910 --> 02:11:00,220
of Dracula Aleister Crowley the infamous

2743
02:11:04,740 --> 02:11:02,920
magician a couple of writers Horror

2744
02:11:10,290 --> 02:11:04,750
Writers named Algernon Blackwood and

2745
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:10,300
Arthur Mackin and also Evans Wentz

2746
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:14,170
excuse me I'm kidding My Mind's blinking

2747
02:11:17,970 --> 02:11:16,630
I've got the the the original translator

2748
02:11:21,660 --> 02:11:17,980
of the Egyptian Book of the Dead Oh a

2749
02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:21,670
Wallis budge there we go and so the

2750
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:25,120
primary Egyptologist of his day and so

2751
02:11:29,940 --> 02:11:26,770
it was all the top occult thinkers of

2752
02:11:31,790 --> 02:11:29,950
the time and it was the leaders were

2753
02:11:35,220 --> 02:11:31,800
named the founders were named William

2754
02:11:37,230 --> 02:11:35,230
Woodman William win win Westcott and

2755
02:11:39,630 --> 02:11:37,240
MacGregor Mathers all of whom were

2756
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:39,640
esoteric Freemasons who decided they

2757
02:11:45,090 --> 02:11:42,730
wanted to push it even further and in

2758
02:11:48,290 --> 02:11:45,100
doing that they claimed that they had

2759
02:11:52,140 --> 02:11:48,300
met a mysterious immortal perhaps

2760
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:52,150
Rosicrucian or Rosic met Anna Rose a

2761
02:11:56,910 --> 02:11:54,490
crucian Brotherhood in Europe that gave

2762
02:12:01,140 --> 02:11:56,920
them documents that contain these

2763
02:12:02,850 --> 02:12:01,150
rituals magic rituals that form the and

2764
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:02,860
authority to form this occult society

2765
02:12:07,050 --> 02:12:05,080
this branch of the true Rosicrucians

2766
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:07,060
which again D is responsible for

2767
02:12:12,090 --> 02:12:09,850
creating way back when and they put

2768
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:12,100
together this beautiful system where

2769
02:12:17,580 --> 02:12:14,250
they took all of the occult knowledge

2770
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:17,590
available at that time which they kind

2771
02:12:20,610 --> 02:12:19,210
of unearthed in the British Library and

2772
02:12:25,820 --> 02:12:20,620
the great Gregor Mathers did so they

2773
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:25,830
took Kabbalah Tarot Egyptology geomancy

2774
02:12:32,910 --> 02:12:29,410
and Dee's Enochian magic and fit it all

2775
02:12:35,580 --> 02:12:32,920
together in this one intricate beautiful

2776
02:12:37,260 --> 02:12:35,590
system synthesizing all of the occult

2777
02:12:40,230 --> 02:12:37,270
knowledge that was available at the at

2778
02:12:43,110 --> 02:12:40,240
the day in during during that time but

2779
02:12:45,300 --> 02:12:43,120
the core of it was Enochian it was Dee's

2780
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:45,310
system that was the dynamo the engine

2781
02:12:49,740 --> 02:12:46,930
that ran the whole thing and that's what

2782
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:49,750
the whole thing was meant to prepare its

2783
02:12:55,290 --> 02:12:53,410
initiates to deal with which is Enochian

2784
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:55,300
magic and this is the system that Dee

2785
02:13:00,510 --> 02:12:58,000
and Kelly delivered right right and we I

2786
02:13:04,380 --> 02:13:00,520
don't know how the two of us managed to

2787
02:13:08,190 --> 02:13:04,390
blow past one of the most amazing parts

2788
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:08,200
of the scrying that they were doing

2789
02:13:13,859 --> 02:13:10,570
Kelly and Dee

2790
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:13,869
which was Enochian language and the

2791
02:13:20,250 --> 02:13:18,250
translation of it we we danced right

2792
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:20,260
past that so let's let's spend a couple

2793
02:13:28,979 --> 02:13:23,920
of minutes on that the language that

2794
02:13:30,510 --> 02:13:28,989
they were given yeah so so of course to

2795
02:13:32,339 --> 02:13:30,520
take it back to D and Kelly they spent

2796
02:13:33,930 --> 02:13:32,349
seven years talking to angels and by the

2797
02:13:35,729 --> 02:13:33,940
way when we talk about angels most

2798
02:13:39,149 --> 02:13:35,739
people think about you know Hallmark

2799
02:13:40,589 --> 02:13:39,159
cards rosy rosy cheeked Caribes you know

2800
02:13:42,839 --> 02:13:40,599
bringing you tidings of good fortune

2801
02:13:44,729 --> 02:13:42,849
well the Angels that Dee and Kelly were

2802
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:44,739
act were interacting with or a whole

2803
02:13:48,990 --> 02:13:47,050
other kettle of fish they were something

2804
02:13:52,379 --> 02:13:49,000
like you would see in Clive Barker

2805
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:52,389
paintings or Hieronymus Bosch or you

2806
02:13:57,720 --> 02:13:54,610
know like the most surreal and and

2807
02:13:59,939 --> 02:13:57,730
visionary art and they're angels they

2808
02:14:02,850 --> 02:13:59,949
write about are like Giants with heads

2809
02:14:05,970 --> 02:14:02,860
of Suns and you know

2810
02:14:08,459 --> 02:14:05,980
angels with wings upon wings coming out

2811
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:08,469
of their heads and multiple pupils in

2812
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:11,050
each eye and at one point they actually

2813
02:14:17,609 --> 02:14:15,250
meet God and God is not a man with a

2814
02:14:20,459 --> 02:14:17,619
white beard up in the clouds no when

2815
02:14:23,550 --> 02:14:20,469
they saw God they report seeing a giant

2816
02:14:26,459 --> 02:14:23,560
whale covered with eyes from head to toe

2817
02:14:29,879 --> 02:14:26,469
tonight can I hold the William Blake

2818
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:29,889
painting up for the camera because

2819
02:14:34,410 --> 02:14:31,570
that's exactly what we're talking about

2820
02:14:37,050 --> 02:14:34,420
it was very it was very Blake it is it

2821
02:14:39,300 --> 02:14:37,060
was it was a you know it's an a human

2822
02:14:40,740 --> 02:14:39,310
let's see if I can hold this yeah there

2823
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:40,750
you go I'm holding this up to the camera

2824
02:14:47,490 --> 02:14:44,170
that is that that painting stopped me in

2825
02:14:50,490 --> 02:14:47,500
my tracks that was and it's in color

2826
02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:50,500
that's that's from the book yeah

2827
02:14:59,220 --> 02:14:55,630
and so his translation happens and I

2828
02:15:03,359 --> 02:14:59,230
believe it was the first and only

2829
02:15:05,459 --> 02:15:03,369
translation of it right and and so in

2830
02:15:06,810 --> 02:15:05,469
there are talks with these angels and

2831
02:15:08,939 --> 02:15:06,820
these supernatural beings they were

2832
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:08,949
given what is now known as an Okie and

2833
02:15:16,319 --> 02:15:12,159
magic which is an elaborate occult

2834
02:15:18,270 --> 02:15:16,329
system meant for in theory anybody could

2835
02:15:21,390 --> 02:15:18,280
take it and use it to make contact with

2836
02:15:23,220 --> 02:15:21,400
the angels directly without having to go

2837
02:15:24,590 --> 02:15:23,230
through a lot of the preliminaries that

2838
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:24,600
Dee and Kelly did

2839
02:15:30,290 --> 02:15:27,840
and as part of that is it was the

2840
02:15:32,620 --> 02:15:30,300
angelic language or what isn't what is

2841
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:32,630
sometimes called Enochian which

2842
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:35,130
purported they purported at least was

2843
02:15:41,150 --> 02:15:38,370
the language spoken by humanity before

2844
02:15:43,250 --> 02:15:41,160
the fall from Eden before the fall of

2845
02:15:45,530 --> 02:15:43,260
the Tower of Babel the language that is

2846
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:45,540
spoken by Angels directly and a language

2847
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:48,450
that perhaps could change reality itself

2848
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:50,010
if you spoke it and certainly will

2849
02:15:58,190 --> 02:15:55,010
change your consciousness and and that

2850
02:16:00,890 --> 02:15:58,200
became this delivered a cult system

2851
02:16:04,040 --> 02:16:00,900
which is quite unique in Western history

2852
02:16:05,570 --> 02:16:04,050
in the sense that it's not well if you

2853
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:05,580
believe that they were really speaking

2854
02:16:11,450 --> 02:16:08,970
to angels then it is not a Nicolle

2855
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,460
system that was pieced together by human

2856
02:16:15,290 --> 02:16:13,920
beings which is you know certainly the

2857
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:15,300
more tradition or some of the later

2858
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:17,130
hermetic stuff is all assembled in a

2859
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:18,960
synthetic way by human beings on the

2860
02:16:24,610 --> 02:16:20,850
ground oh no this was delivered top-down

2861
02:16:28,130 --> 02:16:24,620
now what about when we talk about

2862
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:28,140
Rosicrucians today is that a watered

2863
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:32,550
down version of D or is it still is it

2864
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:35,760
still you know what was is it it's still

2865
02:16:41,510 --> 02:16:40,050
traditional is it accurate well it's

2866
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:41,520
kind of two different things but I'll

2867
02:16:48,169 --> 02:16:43,830
certainly argue and I argue in this book

2868
02:16:50,270 --> 02:16:48,179
that Enochian is really has been the

2869
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:50,280
core of all of these things whether it's

2870
02:16:58,850 --> 02:16:53,130
Rosicrucianism or masonry or the golden

2871
02:17:00,470 --> 02:16:58,860
dawn and it's been the the center you

2872
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:00,480
know the main event of Western

2873
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:01,410
esotericism

2874
02:17:09,890 --> 02:17:07,280
for the last 500 years so with this

2875
02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:09,900
going back to the turn of the century

2876
02:17:19,129 --> 02:17:12,450
and the Golden Dawn and Blavatsky and

2877
02:17:22,010 --> 02:17:19,139
and others the the influence of D is at

2878
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:22,020
that time I really want to be clear on

2879
02:17:28,669 --> 02:17:25,410
this was it the version of D when Dee

2880
02:17:31,070 --> 02:17:28,679
was alive or were things lost in

2881
02:17:33,650 --> 02:17:31,080
translation a lot was lost in

2882
02:17:36,140 --> 02:17:33,660
translation so first of all we have to

2883
02:17:38,889 --> 02:17:36,150
realise that DS dire DN Kelly's diaries

2884
02:17:42,889 --> 02:17:38,899
were buried in a field

2885
02:17:44,959 --> 02:17:42,899
after DS death and they weren't dug up

2886
02:17:47,870 --> 02:17:44,969
until about ten years later they were

2887
02:17:50,089 --> 02:17:47,880
found by a servant who found them and

2888
02:17:52,969 --> 02:17:50,099
then was burning parts of the Diaries as

2889
02:17:54,110 --> 02:17:52,979
fire kindling which by the way is the

2890
02:17:55,610 --> 02:17:54,120
same thing that happened with the Dead

2891
02:17:59,179 --> 02:17:55,620
Sea Scrolls when they worked those were

2892
02:18:01,339 --> 02:17:59,189
discovered they a lot of a lot of them

2893
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:01,349
were used as kindling before somebody

2894
02:18:06,139 --> 02:18:03,210
figured out what was happening which is

2895
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:06,149
just tragic right so a lot of Diaries

2896
02:18:10,700 --> 02:18:08,370
are missing but by the time we get to

2897
02:18:12,860 --> 02:18:10,710
the golden dawn the only part of an oak

2898
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:12,870
Ian that survives in the Golden Dawn is

2899
02:18:16,940 --> 02:18:15,090
the watchtowers which is one tiny

2900
02:18:19,309 --> 02:18:16,950
fragment of the entire system

2901
02:18:21,740 --> 02:18:19,319
Mather's found that because he had

2902
02:18:25,330 --> 02:18:21,750
access to a book called a true and

2903
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,340
faithful relation by America Saban who

2904
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:28,080
who printed part of the diary but not

2905
02:18:32,419 --> 02:18:31,050
nearly all of them and he only printed

2906
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:32,429
the part of the diaries that dealt with

2907
02:18:36,919 --> 02:18:35,130
that part of the system and so Mathers

2908
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:36,929
took that and he put it into the golden

2909
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:38,250
dawn and then because he thought it was

2910
02:18:42,139 --> 02:18:40,050
incomplete he decided to fill in the

2911
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:42,149
gaps with other systems like Rio and

2912
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:44,370
Kabbalah and Egyptology and what he

2913
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:46,319
created is quite beautiful in its own

2914
02:18:55,450 --> 02:18:50,160
way but it's not the original system now

2915
02:18:59,120 --> 02:18:55,460
what about Crowley and his quest to

2916
02:19:02,450 --> 02:18:59,130
perform and complete a couple of these

2917
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:02,460
ceremonies were those Enochian they were

2918
02:19:07,129 --> 02:19:05,130
and in fact it you know in a way Crowley

2919
02:19:10,190 --> 02:19:07,139
is the member of the Golden Dawn to take

2920
02:19:11,389 --> 02:19:10,200
Enochian the most most seriously and and

2921
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:11,399
do the most

2922
02:19:19,070 --> 02:19:16,290
original research so with Crowley what

2923
02:19:22,879 --> 02:19:19,080
Crowley did in around in the early 1900s

2924
02:19:23,900 --> 02:19:22,889
is with his student and male lover

2925
02:19:26,750 --> 02:19:23,910
Victor Neuberg

2926
02:19:28,990 --> 02:19:26,760
spent an entire month crossing the

2927
02:19:31,759 --> 02:19:29,000
desert in Algeria and northern Africa

2928
02:19:34,099 --> 02:19:31,769
and every day they would walk through

2929
02:19:37,099 --> 02:19:34,109
the deserts through the wasteland and

2930
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:37,109
Crowley will be prostrating himself over

2931
02:19:43,639 --> 02:19:40,080
and over again saying [\h__\h] entres you

2932
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:43,649
know Islamic mantras to God prostrating

2933
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:45,450
himself over a thousand times a day so

2934
02:19:49,099 --> 02:19:47,130
that he would become his but he would

2935
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:49,109
completely exhaust his body and of

2936
02:19:51,920 --> 02:19:50,399
course they were in a state of total

2937
02:19:54,349 --> 02:19:51,930
sensory deprivation

2938
02:19:55,610 --> 02:19:54,359
because they were in the desert and then

2939
02:19:57,469 --> 02:19:55,620
probably we're using something like

2940
02:20:00,800 --> 02:19:57,479
peyote or something like that but I

2941
02:20:02,830 --> 02:20:00,810
don't know and then every night they

2942
02:20:05,450 --> 02:20:02,840
would call one of the Aether's which is

2943
02:20:09,620 --> 02:20:05,460
the part of the Enochian system that's

2944
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:09,630
meant to I would say you know heighten

2945
02:20:13,340 --> 02:20:11,850
the spiritual condition of of people

2946
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:13,350
doing it it's kind of the main part of

2947
02:20:19,420 --> 02:20:16,290
Enochian and there's 38 hours and as

2948
02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:19,430
each one is opened it causes an internal

2949
02:20:24,439 --> 02:20:21,810
you know psychedelic experience or a

2950
02:20:26,689 --> 02:20:24,449
visionary experience and and he wrote

2951
02:20:28,910 --> 02:20:26,699
all of that down he wrote all and his

2952
02:20:31,070 --> 02:20:28,920
experiences is writing by the way and

2953
02:20:33,559 --> 02:20:31,080
Crowley's a real mixed bag he was not a

2954
02:20:35,960 --> 02:20:33,569
good man or a nice man but he certainly

2955
02:20:40,210 --> 02:20:35,970
did a lot of magic and he left behind a

2956
02:20:43,550 --> 02:20:40,220
lot of Records and in my opinion his his

2957
02:20:46,490 --> 02:20:43,560
his work with Enochian is the most

2958
02:20:48,650 --> 02:20:46,500
profound certainly writing of his career

2959
02:20:50,689 --> 02:20:48,660
and the most fascinating to look at and

2960
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:50,699
you can really while there's a lot of

2961
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:53,370
Crowley's personality bleeds into it you

2962
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:55,290
it's hard to read that stuff and say

2963
02:20:58,130 --> 02:20:57,120
that he wasn't in contact with something

2964
02:20:59,540 --> 02:20:58,140
beyond him

2965
02:21:02,200 --> 02:20:59,550
whatever good whatever you think of

2966
02:21:07,550 --> 02:21:02,210
Crowley himself right and he says

2967
02:21:10,250 --> 02:21:07,560
Crowley directly I believe this is

2968
02:21:14,780 --> 02:21:10,260
accurate that he finally completed the

2969
02:21:19,460 --> 02:21:14,790
ceremony and had no desire to do it

2970
02:21:22,670 --> 02:21:19,470
again yeah that's right right and we

2971
02:21:26,599 --> 02:21:22,680
would I could only imagine what went

2972
02:21:27,769 --> 02:21:26,609
down but what do you think happened to

2973
02:21:32,269 --> 02:21:27,779
him what who do you think he

2974
02:21:33,800 --> 02:21:32,279
communicated with well this he wrote all

2975
02:21:36,260 --> 02:21:33,810
of his sessions down in a book called

2976
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:36,270
the vision in the voice which you know

2977
02:21:39,979 --> 02:21:38,430
by the way it the first two-thirds of

2978
02:21:42,170 --> 02:21:39,989
this book only the first two-thirds of

2979
02:21:45,260 --> 02:21:42,180
this book are about D that the last

2980
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:45,270
third is about Freemasonry

2981
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,000
Rosicrucianism the golden dawn and then

2982
02:21:52,460 --> 02:21:49,920
a lot on Crowley and then Crowley

2983
02:21:53,540 --> 02:21:52,470
Student Jack Parsons who was the one of

2984
02:21:55,250 --> 02:21:53,550
the people who created a u.s. space

2985
02:21:57,620 --> 02:21:55,260
program and was also doing this stuff

2986
02:22:00,650 --> 02:21:57,630
but Crowley left a very very detailed

2987
02:22:04,370 --> 02:22:00,660
record of his visions which really kind

2988
02:22:05,780 --> 02:22:04,380
of hang on there really it's the vision

2989
02:22:08,690 --> 02:22:05,790
and the voice in my opinion

2990
02:22:11,210 --> 02:22:08,700
is one of the great documents of world

2991
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:11,220
visionary literature without question

2992
02:22:17,300 --> 02:22:14,660
and what he saw in these visions were

2993
02:22:20,090 --> 02:22:17,310
piano was a fulfillment of all world

2994
02:22:22,011 --> 02:22:20,100
religions where they pieced together all

2995
02:22:24,590 --> 02:22:22,021
of the world's spiritual traditions and

2996
02:22:28,761 --> 02:22:24,600
then also annihilated them by showing

2997
02:22:31,370 --> 02:22:28,771
deeper and deeper layers of truth and

2998
02:22:34,250 --> 02:22:31,380
you know annihilating the symbols of

2999
02:22:37,310 --> 02:22:34,260
religion as they went

3000
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:37,320
but you know in Crowley's mind what he

3001
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:39,330
was seeing in the Enochian a there's was

3002
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,240
the incoming of the New Age you know the

3003
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:44,160
Age of Aquarius if you want to call it

3004
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:46,110
or the Aeon of Horus as he call it

3005
02:22:51,261 --> 02:22:48,330
called it he believed that he was seeing

3006
02:22:54,470 --> 02:22:51,271
the spiritual machinery of the end of

3007
02:22:56,540 --> 02:22:54,480
the last 2,000 years of patriarchal

3008
02:22:58,700 --> 02:22:56,550
religion if you will of Christianity and

3009
02:23:00,980 --> 02:22:58,710
and Buddhism and many other religions

3010
02:23:04,970 --> 02:23:00,990
and that he was seeing them being

3011
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:04,980
replaced with what is to come for the

3012
02:23:09,860 --> 02:23:06,930
next 2,000 years which in Crowley's mind

3013
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:09,870
was much more about individual spiritual

3014
02:23:15,170 --> 02:23:12,570
liberation and the destruction of all of

3015
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:15,180
the old control religions well and

3016
02:23:21,080 --> 02:23:18,080
everything in his life at that point was

3017
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:21,090
focused on the completion of these

3018
02:23:27,710 --> 02:23:25,290
ceremonies which he tried to do nearly

3019
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:27,720
every day right and he you know he

3020
02:23:32,210 --> 02:23:29,730
bought the house on Loch Ness he put the

3021
02:23:36,350 --> 02:23:32,220
sand in the yard he wanted to [\h__\h] all

3022
02:23:40,011 --> 02:23:36,360
of these things were were built around

3023
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:40,021
him to complete this ceremony and I just

3024
02:23:45,380 --> 02:23:42,720
found that part of Crowley fascinating

3025
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:45,390
and I'm not sure and I appreciate what

3026
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:47,490
you're saying here but I'm not sure that

3027
02:23:52,610 --> 02:23:50,370
even what he has shared publicly is

3028
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:52,620
actually what happened I don't think he

3029
02:23:57,530 --> 02:23:55,920
I think it was a personal experience of

3030
02:23:59,240 --> 02:23:57,540
course I mean all magic is a personal

3031
02:24:01,670 --> 02:23:59,250
experience right I had a subjective

3032
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:01,680
experience right and one of the good

3033
02:24:06,050 --> 02:24:04,170
things about Crowley is that he was such

3034
02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:06,060
a well-trained and good writer and could

3035
02:24:10,370 --> 02:24:08,850
leave you know good records but yeah I

3036
02:24:12,140 --> 02:24:10,380
mean but the the the ritual you're

3037
02:24:13,820 --> 02:24:12,150
talking about is the Abra Melman ritual

3038
02:24:17,330 --> 02:24:13,830
which is my different it's it's separate

3039
02:24:19,671 --> 02:24:17,340
from the Enochian material that was in

3040
02:24:25,281 --> 02:24:19,681
Scotland and nice you know three nights

3041
02:24:28,071 --> 02:24:25,291
for so and this was 1907 in Algeria but

3042
02:24:29,901 --> 02:24:28,081
yeah I mean you can say a lot about crow

3043
02:24:33,020 --> 02:24:29,911
League lots of ink has been spilled

3044
02:24:34,701 --> 02:24:33,030
about Crowley I you know summarized his

3045
02:24:37,821 --> 02:24:34,711
goods in his Bad's and there were some

3046
02:24:40,131 --> 02:24:37,831
very bad in the book but one thing you

3047
02:24:42,831 --> 02:24:40,141
can't say about Crowley who the horse

3048
02:24:45,501 --> 02:24:42,841
remains controversial to this day is

3049
02:24:49,461 --> 02:24:45,511
that he was insincere I think that he

3050
02:24:51,881 --> 02:24:49,471
went full-on into this stuff in a almost

3051
02:24:57,861 --> 02:24:51,891
in an obsessive way you know an

3052
02:25:00,261 --> 02:24:57,871
obsessively in a detailed and and

3053
02:25:02,571 --> 02:25:00,271
perhaps scientific or at least empirical

3054
02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:02,581
way assessing this stuff and he could

3055
02:25:08,331 --> 02:25:05,730
because he not only had the privilege of

3056
02:25:10,371 --> 02:25:08,341
such of an it was such a good education

3057
02:25:12,831 --> 02:25:10,381
but he also had a lot of inherited

3058
02:25:14,451 --> 02:25:12,841
family money so he never had to work in

3059
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:14,461
his life he spent his entire life just

3060
02:25:18,140 --> 02:25:16,650
doing magic you know until the money ran

3061
02:25:20,841 --> 02:25:18,150
out well then he kept doing it of course

3062
02:25:25,071 --> 02:25:20,851
but on a much lower budget in much more

3063
02:25:28,821 --> 02:25:25,081
desperate straits now we've got to get

3064
02:25:33,081 --> 02:25:28,831
do this Jack Parsons part because first

3065
02:25:38,451 --> 02:25:33,091
off you and I live right here right Jack

3066
02:25:40,940 --> 02:25:38,461
Parsons land and JPL is is here in

3067
02:25:43,581 --> 02:25:40,950
Parsons and and Pasadena and Glendale

3068
02:25:48,951 --> 02:25:43,591
and Burbank it's it's a part of our

3069
02:25:51,591 --> 02:25:48,961
daily lives today but this was a very

3070
02:25:55,041 --> 02:25:51,601
serious thing for Jack Parsons and some

3071
02:25:59,241 --> 02:25:55,051
of these whether they're urban legends

3072
02:26:00,801 --> 02:25:59,251
or its fact these things actually happen

3073
02:26:02,631 --> 02:26:00,811
when I say urban legends you know

3074
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:02,641
portals opening up in the Mojave Desert

3075
02:26:08,091 --> 02:26:04,650
I don't know you know how accurate that

3076
02:26:11,151 --> 02:26:08,101
stuff is but but certainly Parsons

3077
02:26:13,901 --> 02:26:11,161
interest in it was as sincere as

3078
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:13,911
anybody's and he ran in those circles

3079
02:26:18,201 --> 02:26:16,650
absolutely so yeah Parsons I mean what

3080
02:26:21,711 --> 02:26:18,211
can we say about this guy this is one of

3081
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:21,721
the most colorful and amazing characters

3082
02:26:25,970 --> 02:26:24,570
in all of magic so Parsons was yeah born

3083
02:26:29,631 --> 02:26:25,980
in Pasadena in the early part of the

3084
02:26:32,751 --> 02:26:29,641
20th century he was you know a science

3085
02:26:34,731 --> 02:26:32,761
or akut scientist a sign

3086
02:26:36,741 --> 02:26:34,741
fiction fan you know he was six feet

3087
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:36,751
tall dashingly handsome you have to

3088
02:26:43,100 --> 02:26:40,110
imagine perhaps Elon Musk crossed with

3089
02:26:45,020 --> 02:26:43,110
you know Crowley crossed with Abbie

3090
02:26:47,571 --> 02:26:45,030
Hoffman or somebody like that right he

3091
02:26:50,031 --> 02:26:47,581
was a real anarchist right and Parsons

3092
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:50,041
wanted you know Parsons is responsible

3093
02:26:55,850 --> 02:26:53,280
for the early rocketry program where he

3094
02:26:57,501 --> 02:26:55,860
was interested in in producing rockets

3095
02:27:01,041 --> 02:26:57,511
when nobody was interested in it and his

3096
02:27:02,810 --> 02:27:01,051
group of rocket enthusiasts became what

3097
02:27:06,621 --> 02:27:02,820
we now know as NASA JPL Jet Propulsion

3098
02:27:09,321 --> 02:27:06,631
Jet Propulsion labs he founded he is the

3099
02:27:12,350 --> 02:27:09,331
person that invented solid-state rocket

3100
02:27:16,461 --> 02:27:12,360
fuel which is responsible for putting us

3101
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:16,471
on the moon and also what you know was

3102
02:27:23,151 --> 02:27:18,570
the fuel driving ICBM new nuclear

3103
02:27:24,921 --> 02:27:23,161
missiles in the 60s and 70s and he was

3104
02:27:26,781 --> 02:27:24,931
also a science-fiction fan he was a

3105
02:27:28,520 --> 02:27:26,791
friend to Ray Bradbury and all these

3106
02:27:32,451 --> 02:27:28,530
early science fiction writers and a

3107
02:27:35,060 --> 02:27:32,461
great patron of them he and he was also

3108
02:27:37,461 --> 02:27:35,070
a practice practicing occultist he was

3109
02:27:41,180 --> 02:27:37,471
the head of the OTO which was Crowley's

3110
02:27:43,850 --> 02:27:41,190
magical group in Los Angeles and spent

3111
02:27:47,481 --> 02:27:43,860
his days working on rockets and his

3112
02:27:49,100 --> 02:27:47,491
night doing occult rituals a lot of

3113
02:27:56,121 --> 02:27:49,110
which was Enochian that was the primary

3114
02:27:59,140 --> 02:27:56,131
focus now how can we clear up some of

3115
02:28:02,691 --> 02:27:59,150
these occult rituals and some of these

3116
02:28:05,781 --> 02:28:02,701
stories about Jack you know like portals

3117
02:28:09,981 --> 02:28:05,791
and and communication and and what he

3118
02:28:13,281 --> 02:28:09,991
was exposed to how much of it actually

3119
02:28:15,020 --> 02:28:13,291
happened how it all happened and I what

3120
02:28:16,761 --> 02:28:15,030
you're talking about is an infamous

3121
02:28:19,071 --> 02:28:16,771
ritual that he did call it the babylon

3122
02:28:22,011 --> 02:28:19,081
working that's right in the mojave

3123
02:28:27,291 --> 02:28:22,021
desert with the help of a special

3124
02:28:31,310 --> 02:28:27,301
somebody we we know is lr h or l ron

3125
02:28:34,371 --> 02:28:31,320
hubbard and he spent so Parsons and

3126
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:34,381
Hubbard who was kind of his protege who

3127
02:28:39,411 --> 02:28:36,570
was a confidence trickster who had shown

3128
02:28:43,011 --> 02:28:39,421
up at Parsons digs and quickly charmed

3129
02:28:45,621 --> 02:28:43,021
him and got him under his spell Parsons

3130
02:28:46,370 --> 02:28:45,631
in Hubbard were engaged in trying to

3131
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:46,380
talk to

3132
02:28:50,450 --> 02:28:48,479
Babylon and Babylon is kind of the

3133
02:28:54,110 --> 02:28:50,460
central goddess of the entire Enochian

3134
02:28:55,580 --> 02:28:54,120
system who appeared to Dee and Kelly and

3135
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:55,590
appeared to Crowley and their respective

3136
02:29:02,750 --> 02:28:59,760
workings and Parsons saw Babylon as kind

3137
02:29:08,500 --> 02:29:02,760
of the inversion of the Virgin Mary and

3138
02:29:16,850 --> 02:29:12,980
unshackled and the dark goddess you know

3139
02:29:19,730 --> 02:29:16,860
and he saw her as a figure of social

3140
02:29:24,920 --> 02:29:19,740
liberation and female liberation and a

3141
02:29:26,900 --> 02:29:24,930
symbol of women over the entire rising

3142
02:29:28,250 --> 02:29:26,910
up out of their patriarchal shackles and

3143
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:28,260
destroying the old pastry all

3144
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:30,210
patriarchal order and he's writing about

3145
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:32,130
this in the 40s right it had already

3146
02:29:35,780 --> 02:29:34,080
begun happening but it really started to

3147
02:29:39,050 --> 02:29:35,790
kick in in the coming decades of course

3148
02:29:40,520 --> 02:29:39,060
and is still you know that's a war

3149
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:40,530
that's being fought right now you know

3150
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:45,210
wonderfully and he but they wanted to

3151
02:29:49,010 --> 02:29:47,280
contact this goddess directly and

3152
02:29:51,980 --> 02:29:49,020
Parsons certainly thought that he had

3153
02:29:54,230 --> 02:29:51,990
but in the process he lost everything I

3154
02:29:56,510 --> 02:29:54,240
mean Hubbert ran off with his girlfriend

3155
02:29:57,530 --> 02:29:56,520
ran off with his money ran off with his

3156
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:57,540
yacht

3157
02:30:02,840 --> 02:29:59,760
Parsons lost his job he was left

3158
02:30:05,389 --> 02:30:02,850
destitute I mean he really took it to

3159
02:30:08,480 --> 02:30:05,399
the abyss as they say in the occult

3160
02:30:12,350 --> 02:30:08,490
tradition and then of course you know

3161
02:30:14,719 --> 02:30:12,360
with that boat in Florida we have today

3162
02:30:16,969 --> 02:30:14,729
Scientology and isn't that an

3163
02:30:19,870 --> 02:30:16,979
interesting part of this entire saga

3164
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:19,880
let's let's take a break right here

3165
02:30:24,980 --> 02:30:23,370
Jason and if you will let's do a little

3166
02:30:29,540 --> 02:30:24,990
bit of overtime because we got to talk

3167
02:30:31,130 --> 02:30:29,550
about the death of Parsons and well

3168
02:30:33,530 --> 02:30:31,140
let's do this after the break because I

3169
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:33,540
have my ideas about what actually

3170
02:30:38,810 --> 02:30:36,290
happened at his home up in Pasadena and

3171
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:38,820
let's let's continue all the way through

3172
02:30:45,469 --> 02:30:43,200
modern modern day cult history I guess

3173
02:30:48,530 --> 02:30:45,479
is the way we want to put it here with

3174
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3254
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3256
02:35:18,420 --> 02:35:16,170
all right welcome back fade to black

3257
02:35:20,969 --> 02:35:18,430
I guess tonight Jason Lube you can

3258
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follow me on Twitter chimney church at J

3259
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3260
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Jason Louv he's tweeting Jason it's

3261
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really cool man you're in the sandbox I

3262
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really dig that man yeah there's some

3263
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great comments coming in it's really

3264
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enjoying the show it's amazing and you

3265
02:35:39,929 --> 02:35:37,420
can see some of these questions and I've

3266
02:35:42,689 --> 02:35:39,939
got them lined up here too as well so

3267
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:42,699
we'll try to get them in be before the

3268
02:35:48,689 --> 02:35:44,319
end of the show tonight but here's what

3269
02:35:51,769 --> 02:35:48,699
a slight recap very condensed but it's

3270
02:35:54,899 --> 02:35:51,779
amazing when you think about it John D

3271
02:35:57,929 --> 02:35:54,909
influencing not only Queen Elizabeth and

3272
02:36:02,760 --> 02:35:57,939
and creating the vision of the British

3273
02:36:05,609 --> 02:36:02,770
Empire sign at the science side of it

3274
02:36:10,679 --> 02:36:05,619
through eventually through scrying and

3275
02:36:13,019 --> 02:36:10,689
in influencing so many societies all the

3276
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:13,029
way from the Freemasons and Illuminati

3277
02:36:22,889 --> 02:36:17,460
the Rosicrucians the Golden Dawn the OTO

3278
02:36:26,340 --> 02:36:22,899
all the way through to the moon right I

3279
02:36:29,210 --> 02:36:26,350
mean let's let's let's understand what

3280
02:36:32,010 --> 02:36:29,220
we are talking about here John Dee was

3281
02:36:34,590 --> 02:36:32,020
absolutely incredible and and the story

3282
02:36:36,469 --> 02:36:34,600
and the connecting of the dots is is an

3283
02:36:40,109 --> 02:36:36,479
easy one to follow but that's exactly

3284
02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:40,119
John Dee's influence yeah I mean when we

3285
02:36:45,929 --> 02:36:42,970
think about John Dee's work creating

3286
02:36:48,779 --> 02:36:45,939
naval expansion expansion to the new

3287
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:48,789
world and doing this Enochian magic and

3288
02:36:52,590 --> 02:36:51,010
opening up the Age of Empires and then

3289
02:36:54,359 --> 02:36:52,600
just four hundred years later which is

3290
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:54,369
really the blink of the blink of an eye

3291
02:36:59,189 --> 02:36:56,800
AK Parsons doing the same thing and

3292
02:37:01,229 --> 02:36:59,199
opening up the space race and both of

3293
02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:01,239
them doing Enochian magic I mean why do

3294
02:37:09,569 --> 02:37:04,600
we not hear this in school exactly

3295
02:37:12,269 --> 02:37:09,579
now the Jack Parsons Jack Parsons death

3296
02:37:17,939 --> 02:37:12,279
now see he brought up solid fuel right

3297
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:17,949
well the official story is that he blew

3298
02:37:25,800 --> 02:37:22,090
up his own house and and he died

3299
02:37:27,810 --> 02:37:25,810
his uh his mother Ruth the second that

3300
02:37:33,389 --> 02:37:27,820
she heard about his death she commits

3301
02:37:36,030 --> 02:37:33,399
suicide right his wife allegedly comes

3302
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:36,040
home she's grocery shopping and finds

3303
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:37,810
out about everything you know the houses

3304
02:37:45,179 --> 02:37:42,399
burnt down I'm not so sure if that's the

3305
02:37:48,090 --> 02:37:45,189
real story what do you think happened

3306
02:37:50,490 --> 02:37:48,100
well yeah I mean the the official story

3307
02:37:52,110 --> 02:37:50,500
is that he was working on so at this

3308
02:37:54,480 --> 02:37:52,120
time he was making money because he lost

3309
02:37:58,800 --> 02:37:54,490
his security clearance and his job and

3310
02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:58,810
he was making money doing explosives for

3311
02:38:04,170 --> 02:38:01,600
Hollywood and so he had he and his wife

3312
02:38:09,420 --> 02:38:04,180
Marjorie Cameron were about to leave for

3313
02:38:12,929 --> 02:38:09,430
Mexico and he was or possibly Israel I'm

3314
02:38:15,300 --> 02:38:12,939
gonna double check that and he was doing

3315
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:15,310
a last-minute rush order and what

3316
02:38:20,099 --> 02:38:17,050
happened was a vial of fulminate of

3317
02:38:21,690 --> 02:38:20,109
mercury slipped out of his hand and of

3318
02:38:24,060 --> 02:38:21,700
course that's very volatile and then it

3319
02:38:26,250 --> 02:38:24,070
blew him up now by the way fulminate of

3320
02:38:29,400 --> 02:38:26,260
mercury if you've ever seen Breaking Bad

3321
02:38:32,250 --> 02:38:29,410
one of my favorite TV shows ever there's

3322
02:38:34,590 --> 02:38:32,260
a scene in the first season of Breaking

3323
02:38:38,370 --> 02:38:34,600
Bad where Heisenberg you know Walter

3324
02:38:39,929 --> 02:38:38,380
White has a piece of something that

3325
02:38:42,570 --> 02:38:39,939
looks like crystal methamphetamine it's

3326
02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:42,580
a little crystal that he throws at a

3327
02:38:48,300 --> 02:38:46,000
drug dealers den and it the whole thing

3328
02:38:51,570 --> 02:38:48,310
blows up that's fulminate of mercury

3329
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:51,580
that's what that's what that was

3330
02:38:55,469 --> 02:38:53,439
if you've ever happened to see that that

3331
02:38:57,570 --> 02:38:55,479
episode so Parsons has a vial of this it

3332
02:38:59,820 --> 02:38:57,580
slips out of his hand he blows up that's

3333
02:39:01,440 --> 02:38:59,830
the official story a conspiracy theories

3334
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:01,450
have certainly circulated about that

3335
02:39:06,750 --> 02:39:04,720
that's possible that you know he had a

3336
02:39:08,219 --> 02:39:06,760
lot of enemies it's possible that you

3337
02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:08,229
know people didn't want him leaving the

3338
02:39:13,230 --> 02:39:11,410
US and bringing rocketry and explosives

3339
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:13,240
information to other governments and

3340
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:15,370
particularly Israel it's possible that

3341
02:39:20,580 --> 02:39:17,050
you know the LAPD did not like him a

3342
02:39:23,700 --> 02:39:20,590
whole lot because he had testified as an

3343
02:39:25,530 --> 02:39:23,710
explosives witness in a case against a

3344
02:39:28,170 --> 02:39:25,540
former captain of the LAPD which

3345
02:39:30,179 --> 02:39:28,180
certainly didn't win him any friends but

3346
02:39:33,090 --> 02:39:30,189
you know I got to tell you having been

3347
02:39:35,370 --> 02:39:33,100
around the occult world for as long as I

3348
02:39:37,469 --> 02:39:35,380
have you see after

3349
02:39:39,870 --> 02:39:37,479
while you see how the sausage is made

3350
02:39:41,160 --> 02:39:39,880
you know you see you know when you first

3351
02:39:44,250 --> 02:39:41,170
start learning about this stuff it's

3352
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:44,260
easy to get kind of grandiose ideas

3353
02:39:48,090 --> 02:39:46,479
about all these all-powerful sorcerers

3354
02:39:50,250 --> 02:39:48,100
and things like that well you know the

3355
02:39:52,139 --> 02:39:50,260
real occult world is it's just people

3356
02:39:54,510 --> 02:39:52,149
right and a lot of times in the occult

3357
02:39:58,320 --> 02:39:54,520
world people are not the most grounded

3358
02:40:00,840 --> 02:39:58,330
and one of the deals with Parsons is he

3359
02:40:05,070 --> 02:40:00,850
was a regular drug user he used cocaine

3360
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:05,080
a lot he used morphine he probably used

3361
02:40:08,520 --> 02:40:06,880
methamphetamine it's possible he may

3362
02:40:12,020 --> 02:40:08,530
have been making methamphetamine because

3363
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:12,030
he was a chemist and one of his friends

3364
02:40:16,350 --> 02:40:14,530
this is reported in a biography of him

3365
02:40:18,630 --> 02:40:16,360
one of his friends in his rocketry Club

3366
02:40:21,690 --> 02:40:18,640
talks about Parsons hands sweating all

3367
02:40:23,190 --> 02:40:21,700
the time which suggests that suggested

3368
02:40:25,980 --> 02:40:23,200
drug use right suggests stimulants

3369
02:40:28,590 --> 02:40:25,990
amphetamines or or possibly cocaine

3370
02:40:31,139 --> 02:40:28,600
we're probably amphetamines and also at

3371
02:40:34,230 --> 02:40:31,149
the blast site there was a syringe a

3372
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:34,240
empty syringe of morphine that they had

3373
02:40:38,280 --> 02:40:36,610
found so it's possible he was just on

3374
02:40:39,450 --> 02:40:38,290
drugs and he got sloppy and the thing

3375
02:40:42,660 --> 02:40:39,460
slipped out of his hand you know

3376
02:40:45,300 --> 02:40:42,670
sometimes the the most obvious answer is

3377
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:45,310
the right one you know but but we don't

3378
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:48,250
know it's possible you know certainly

3379
02:40:52,830 --> 02:40:51,130
people would have had motivations to

3380
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:52,840
make sure he didn't leave the country

3381
02:40:59,940 --> 02:40:54,880
yeah it's possible

3382
02:41:02,400 --> 02:40:59,950
he was my memory says that he was he had

3383
02:41:05,400 --> 02:41:02,410
a contract with the Mexican government

3384
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:05,410
he was getting ready he was broke right

3385
02:41:10,290 --> 02:41:07,450
and he was gonna set up some munitions

3386
02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:10,300
factory or something that was Israel

3387
02:41:12,990 --> 02:41:11,710
actually he was it is that for the

3388
02:41:16,340 --> 02:41:13,000
Israelis he was gonna work on the

3389
02:41:20,070 --> 02:41:16,350
rocketry program it was probably both

3390
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:20,080
yeah yes yeah yeah so now here we are

3391
02:41:29,460 --> 02:41:24,880
today where we have got the Rosicrucians

3392
02:41:34,530 --> 02:41:29,470
and the Freemasons are here and that the

3393
02:41:38,480 --> 02:41:34,540
John D writings and an influence is is a

3394
02:41:40,950 --> 02:41:38,490
global thing now how much of it is is

3395
02:41:44,040 --> 02:41:40,960
influencing government decisions today

3396
02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:44,050
around the world I'm not a conspiracy

3397
02:41:49,180 --> 02:41:46,390
type thinker so I don't think that it

3398
02:41:51,251 --> 02:41:49,190
really is but what I will

3399
02:41:53,171 --> 02:41:51,261
as in what I mean by that is like people

3400
02:41:54,970 --> 02:41:53,181
are sitting behind closed doors reading

3401
02:41:57,430 --> 02:41:54,980
these Diaries and going aha

3402
02:42:00,430 --> 02:41:57,440
like now we have the secrets but what I

3403
02:42:03,791 --> 02:42:00,440
will say is that those ideas absolute

3404
02:42:06,850 --> 02:42:03,801
the ideas themselves absolutely have an

3405
02:42:08,501 --> 02:42:06,860
influence on on government policy and I

3406
02:42:09,610 --> 02:42:08,511
write about that at length in the book

3407
02:42:11,711 --> 02:42:09,620
and that's kind of one of the most

3408
02:42:13,270 --> 02:42:11,721
shocking things about it and all of this

3409
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:13,280
stuff is in plain sight it's not like

3410
02:42:17,440 --> 02:42:15,650
it's conspiratorial right so what what I

3411
02:42:20,680 --> 02:42:17,450
mean by that is that one of these core

3412
02:42:22,600 --> 02:42:20,690
ideas was or the Angels ideas if you

3413
02:42:24,791 --> 02:42:22,610
want to look at it that way is that the

3414
02:42:27,730 --> 02:42:24,801
apocalypse should be hastened that we

3415
02:42:29,411 --> 02:42:27,740
should accelerate towards the end of the

3416
02:42:31,631 --> 02:42:29,421
Bible towards the book of Revelation and

3417
02:42:32,921 --> 02:42:31,641
bring about the apocalypse to kind of

3418
02:42:34,541 --> 02:42:32,931
get it over with

3419
02:42:37,180 --> 02:42:34,551
because the sooner that happens the

3420
02:42:39,461 --> 02:42:37,190
sooner Jesus comes back well that's a

3421
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:39,471
pretty intense idea but it certainly

3422
02:42:44,740 --> 02:42:42,650
wasn't didn't stay in Dee's work and it

3423
02:42:46,810 --> 02:42:44,750
certainly didn't stay in you know

3424
02:42:49,060 --> 02:42:46,820
heretical Protestant groups of the time

3425
02:42:51,400 --> 02:42:49,070
well you know when you understand that

3426
02:42:54,490 --> 02:42:51,410
America was settled by Protestant

3427
02:42:57,881 --> 02:42:54,500
evangelicals well that's the idea that's

3428
02:43:00,541 --> 02:42:57,891
been running the American government you

3429
02:43:04,871 --> 02:43:00,551
know like if you look at Ronald Reagan

3430
02:43:06,331 --> 02:43:04,881
you know assuring America through a

3431
02:43:08,680 --> 02:43:06,341
period of mutually assured destruction

3432
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:08,690
with Russia while all the while

3433
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:11,290
believing that it was his sacred duty to

3434
02:43:16,480 --> 02:43:14,000
you know fight the war with Russia to

3435
02:43:20,110 --> 02:43:16,490
bring about to get America through the

3436
02:43:22,331 --> 02:43:20,120
apocalypse and George Bush jr. thinking

3437
02:43:24,251 --> 02:43:22,341
that he needed to go into Iraq to bring

3438
02:43:27,850 --> 02:43:24,261
about the apocalypse or maybe perhaps

3439
02:43:29,980 --> 02:43:27,860
the bombing in Syria today and one of

3440
02:43:31,511 --> 02:43:29,990
the things about being an American and

3441
02:43:35,020 --> 02:43:31,521
living in America that I think other

3442
02:43:37,121 --> 02:43:35,030
countries probably laugh at us for quite

3443
02:43:39,820 --> 02:43:37,131
honestly having traveled in the UK and

3444
02:43:44,650 --> 02:43:39,830
Europe a lot is that evangelical

3445
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:44,660
theology has such a big role in American

3446
02:43:51,070 --> 02:43:49,730
governmental policy and that many you

3447
02:43:52,990 --> 02:43:51,080
know throughout many presidential

3448
02:43:56,051 --> 02:43:53,000
administrations not all not all of them

3449
02:43:58,001 --> 02:43:56,061
but many of them have truly believed

3450
02:44:00,820 --> 02:43:58,011
that the events of the book of

3451
02:44:02,890 --> 02:44:00,830
Revelation are real and that not only

3452
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:02,900
that they're real but that it's there

3453
02:44:08,381 --> 02:44:06,410
job to make them real not something they

3454
02:44:10,541 --> 02:44:08,391
certainly share in common with John Dee

3455
02:44:14,171 --> 02:44:10,551
that they share in common with to some

3456
02:44:16,450 --> 02:44:14,181
extent with Aleister Crowley and the

3457
02:44:17,921 --> 02:44:16,460
whole Western occult tradition so one of

3458
02:44:20,081 --> 02:44:17,931
the most shocking things about this book

3459
02:44:21,761 --> 02:44:20,091
was understanding that there's really

3460
02:44:23,801 --> 02:44:21,771
not a whole lot of difference between

3461
02:44:27,671 --> 02:44:23,811
what we think of as the esoteric or a

3462
02:44:31,450 --> 02:44:27,681
cult side of Western civilization and

3463
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:31,460
the the the big plan you know Western

3464
02:44:34,930 --> 02:44:33,110
civilization in general it's all one

3465
02:44:36,791 --> 02:44:34,940
thing but one of the good things about

3466
02:44:38,770 --> 02:44:36,801
being a journalist and a hiss you know

3467
02:44:42,341 --> 02:44:38,780
and writing a book on history by the way

3468
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:42,351
is understanding that the truth is way

3469
02:44:46,331 --> 02:44:44,960
weirder than any conspiracy theory you

3470
02:44:48,131 --> 02:44:46,341
know I think that even people who have

3471
02:44:49,690 --> 02:44:48,141
conspiracy theories about stuff you know

3472
02:44:51,310 --> 02:44:49,700
all you have to do is go back and look

3473
02:44:53,410 --> 02:44:51,320
at what actually happened in the actual

3474
02:44:55,360 --> 02:44:53,420
history and it's way weirder than

3475
02:44:57,820 --> 02:44:55,370
anything that anyone's coming up with on

3476
02:45:02,230 --> 02:44:57,830
you know info wars.com or something like

3477
02:45:04,631 --> 02:45:02,240
that so so with the I know I know I'm so

3478
02:45:06,671 --> 02:45:04,641
with you on that and it's just been a

3479
02:45:09,070 --> 02:45:06,681
fascinating conversation tonight and

3480
02:45:11,140 --> 02:45:09,080
I've got to get some of these questions

3481
02:45:14,440 --> 02:45:11,150
in here from the audience and I've got

3482
02:45:16,511 --> 02:45:14,450
so many so let's let's let's go through

3483
02:45:19,121 --> 02:45:16,521
this is how many we can get in Jimmy

3484
02:45:21,421 --> 02:45:19,131
please ask Jason if Occidental science

3485
02:45:24,461 --> 02:45:21,431
is genuinely independent from

3486
02:45:27,551 --> 02:45:24,471
judeo-christian worldviews does it exist

3487
02:45:30,490 --> 02:45:27,561
separately in its own right or is it

3488
02:45:34,511 --> 02:45:30,500
more honestly just a part of the same

3489
02:45:36,461 --> 02:45:34,521
coin that's a great question I don't

3490
02:45:38,171 --> 02:45:36,471
think there certainly in their origins

3491
02:45:39,730 --> 02:45:38,181
or the origin of science no they're not

3492
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:39,740
separate at all it's all one big

3493
02:45:45,450 --> 02:45:43,040
continuum and you know actually actually

3494
02:45:48,400 --> 02:45:45,460
you know you and Carl Jung thought that

3495
02:45:50,680 --> 02:45:48,410
the rise of science that science was

3496
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:50,690
actually a response it was an outgrowth

3497
02:45:56,131 --> 02:45:53,110
of Christianity in the judeo-christian

3498
02:46:00,430 --> 02:45:56,141
tradition where people became very

3499
02:46:03,011 --> 02:46:00,440
despondent that you know that just faith

3500
02:46:05,230 --> 02:46:03,021
alone had not really solved the problems

3501
02:46:07,211 --> 02:46:05,240
of Europe and that that manifested as

3502
02:46:09,761 --> 02:46:07,221
the drive towards Hermeticism and then

3503
02:46:11,621 --> 02:46:09,771
science and alchemy and all that that's

3504
02:46:13,421 --> 02:46:11,631
what you and thought now in terms of

3505
02:46:15,551 --> 02:46:13,431
today I think they are separate today

3506
02:46:16,520 --> 02:46:15,561
but one of the things that I argue in

3507
02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:16,530
this book

3508
02:46:21,150 --> 02:46:19,000
you know we still are a judeo-christian

3509
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:21,160
culture and just because church

3510
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:23,050
attendance is down and people are not

3511
02:46:28,410 --> 02:46:26,560
openly believers doesn't mean that

3512
02:46:30,840 --> 02:46:28,420
they're still not running off the same

3513
02:46:35,190 --> 02:46:30,850
fundamental assumptions right because

3514
02:46:38,490 --> 02:46:35,200
Western civilization is set up to for

3515
02:46:40,740 --> 02:46:38,500
instance be teleological meaning yearn

3516
02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:40,750
towards an end point so even though for

3517
02:46:45,210 --> 02:46:43,090
instance you know most people nowadays

3518
02:46:47,219 --> 02:46:45,220
would not claim that they're openly

3519
02:46:49,710 --> 02:46:47,229
Christian at least you know scientists

3520
02:46:51,719 --> 02:46:49,720
things like this well even the parts of

3521
02:46:53,280 --> 02:46:51,729
Western civilization that no longer

3522
02:46:55,170 --> 02:46:53,290
think they're Christian are still trying

3523
02:46:56,969 --> 02:46:55,180
to cause the apocalypse I mean Marxism

3524
02:47:00,719 --> 02:46:56,979
for instance which is not religious at

3525
02:47:02,580 --> 02:47:00,729
all still yearns towards the the Marxist

3526
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:02,590
apocalypse you know the inevitability of

3527
02:47:06,750 --> 02:47:04,960
communism it still has this core

3528
02:47:08,730 --> 02:47:06,760
messianic myth you know science what

3529
02:47:11,280 --> 02:47:08,740
transhumanism right transhumanism is

3530
02:47:13,230 --> 02:47:11,290
yearning towards the singularity right

3531
02:47:15,690 --> 02:47:13,240
now what's that other than messianic

3532
02:47:17,849 --> 02:47:15,700
apocalyptic thinking so even in our

3533
02:47:19,650 --> 02:47:17,859
culture our culture is judeo-christian

3534
02:47:22,170 --> 02:47:19,660
and we just can't get away from that

3535
02:47:23,940 --> 02:47:22,180
that's like our cultural DNA so you

3536
02:47:25,290 --> 02:47:23,950
can't just stop going to church and say

3537
02:47:27,420 --> 02:47:25,300
you're not Christian anymore it's like

3538
02:47:29,370 --> 02:47:27,430
if you come from that culture then it

3539
02:47:31,230 --> 02:47:29,380
just forms your fundamental associate

3540
02:47:33,690 --> 02:47:31,240
your your fundamental take on things

3541
02:47:37,260 --> 02:47:33,700
unless you examine that stuff very very

3542
02:47:39,210 --> 02:47:37,270
clearly which most people don't so I

3543
02:47:42,330 --> 02:47:39,220
hope that answers that question

3544
02:47:44,639 --> 02:47:42,340
Jimmy I have a post graduate degree in

3545
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:44,649
science and I've often felt that Western

3546
02:47:51,300 --> 02:47:48,210
science is inextricably linked to

3547
02:47:54,450 --> 02:47:51,310
judeo-christian worldview so much that

3548
02:47:58,320 --> 02:47:54,460
even self-proclaimed atheist scientists

3549
02:48:01,050 --> 02:47:58,330
are on simply a quest to quantify the

3550
02:48:04,830 --> 02:48:01,060
mind of God what do you think about that

3551
02:48:07,290 --> 02:48:04,840
Jason 100% accurate and I think that I I

3552
02:48:09,420 --> 02:48:07,300
draw out the history of that it's very

3553
02:48:11,340 --> 02:48:09,430
well-put and i draw out the specific

3554
02:48:14,010 --> 02:48:11,350
history of that in this book it makes

3555
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:14,020
100 percent urine what is Jason's take

3556
02:48:22,260 --> 02:48:18,479
on the hermetic collective consciousness

3557
02:48:26,670 --> 02:48:22,270
I'm not sure what that means did I read

3558
02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:26,680
it wrong what is the hermetic take on

3559
02:48:31,170 --> 02:48:29,290
collective conscious oh I see

3560
02:48:37,410 --> 02:48:31,180
oh well that's an interesting question

3561
02:48:39,870 --> 02:48:37,420
that mmm I think that well that's a

3562
02:48:41,610 --> 02:48:39,880
that's a big one right I think that the

3563
02:48:45,330 --> 02:48:41,620
Hermetic tradition would certainly see

3564
02:48:47,460 --> 02:48:45,340
individual consciousnesses as part of a

3565
02:48:49,710 --> 02:48:47,470
greater whole you know that are our

3566
02:48:52,320 --> 02:48:49,720
individual loci of consciousnesses are

3567
02:48:54,990 --> 02:48:52,330
part of the much bigger consciousness

3568
02:48:57,630 --> 02:48:55,000
that is humanity as a whole which is God

3569
02:49:00,090 --> 02:48:57,640
as a whole you know and you know which

3570
02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:00,100
is part of God as a whole and the great

3571
02:49:06,480 --> 02:49:03,210
hermetic dictum is as above so below

3572
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:06,490
meaning that every individual human is

3573
02:49:11,280 --> 02:49:08,830
if you know as we read in the Bible is

3574
02:49:13,440 --> 02:49:11,290
made in God's image so therefore is a

3575
02:49:16,770 --> 02:49:13,450
reflection of higher reality and that

3576
02:49:18,630 --> 02:49:16,780
perhaps even looking within into your

3577
02:49:20,930 --> 02:49:18,640
own psyche in your own mind and your own

3578
02:49:24,210 --> 02:49:20,940
body you might detect the signature and

3579
02:49:25,620 --> 02:49:24,220
the likeness of the Creator I think

3580
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:25,630
that's the Hermetic take on it and I

3581
02:49:29,430 --> 02:49:27,760
think that certainly call young who

3582
02:49:32,190 --> 02:49:29,440
coined the phrase collective unconscious

3583
02:49:33,930 --> 02:49:32,200
to describe how ideas could pass between

3584
02:49:34,620 --> 02:49:33,940
lions seemingly through a psychic

3585
02:49:36,511 --> 02:49:34,630
phenomenon

3586
02:49:38,250 --> 02:49:36,521
you know uing really was a great

3587
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:38,260
researcher of the hermetica and of

3588
02:49:42,630 --> 02:49:40,570
alchemy and of magic and he really kind

3589
02:49:44,520 --> 02:49:42,640
of just scraped the surface of it or

3590
02:49:46,050 --> 02:49:44,530
maybe perhaps just talked about the part

3591
02:49:49,261 --> 02:49:46,060
that he could kind of get away with at

3592
02:49:52,500 --> 02:49:49,271
the time baring his political climate in

3593
02:49:53,670 --> 02:49:52,510
mind but you know all those theories the

3594
02:49:56,460 --> 02:49:53,680
theory of the collective unconscious

3595
02:49:58,830 --> 02:49:56,470
itself comes out of Carl Jung's

3596
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:58,840
investigation of the occult and comes

3597
02:50:02,600 --> 02:50:00,720
out of call young for instance

3598
02:50:04,650 --> 02:50:02,610
interacting with patients

3599
02:50:06,900 --> 02:50:04,660
therapeutically who would be talking

3600
02:50:09,420 --> 02:50:06,910
about having dreams of alchemical

3601
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:09,430
symbols like a winged egg for instance

3602
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:12,010
or an egg encircled by a serpent and you

3603
02:50:14,700 --> 02:50:13,210
and would say well hang on that's an

3604
02:50:16,650 --> 02:50:14,710
occult symbol hat but you you've never

3605
02:50:18,511 --> 02:50:16,660
seen that before in your life so how was

3606
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:18,521
an occult symbol popping up in the dream

3607
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:20,800
of somebody who's never seen that symbol

3608
02:50:27,930 --> 02:50:24,610
right right right right check this I was

3609
02:50:31,020 --> 02:50:27,940
a good question right here can mr. Louv

3610
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:31,030
comment on the later compilations of DS

3611
02:50:39,020 --> 02:50:33,370
work that seems to incorporate a number

3612
02:50:42,060 --> 02:50:39,030
of apparently cthe onic entities Cthulhu

3613
02:50:42,660 --> 02:50:42,070
well I think what he might be talking

3614
02:50:44,990 --> 02:50:42,670
about

3615
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:45,000
is there were some books written by

3616
02:50:50,940 --> 02:50:49,120
Donald Tyson who is a recent occult

3617
02:50:53,429 --> 02:50:50,950
researcher who's written a book about

3618
02:50:56,219 --> 02:50:53,439
both Lovecraft and D and his mixed name

3619
02:50:58,890 --> 02:50:56,229
of crafting elements into DS stuff but

3620
02:51:01,200 --> 02:50:58,900
that's Tyson's individual idiosyncrasy

3621
02:51:04,590 --> 02:51:01,210
there's no you know Lovecraftian stuff

3622
02:51:06,840 --> 02:51:04,600
in any of the original d texts one of

3623
02:51:09,570 --> 02:51:06,850
the great things about the current

3624
02:51:11,370 --> 02:51:09,580
cultural moment is that there's so much

3625
02:51:12,870 --> 02:51:11,380
more accurate information coming out

3626
02:51:15,480 --> 02:51:12,880
because of the internet we have access

3627
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:15,490
to original texts that have been out of

3628
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:17,290
print for long periods of time and we

3629
02:51:21,570 --> 02:51:18,880
can go back and look at these things

3630
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:21,580
with much more precision or as you know

3631
02:51:25,710 --> 02:51:23,680
in the 70s and the 80s people were just

3632
02:51:27,990 --> 02:51:25,720
kind of you know people like Kenneth

3633
02:51:29,490 --> 02:51:28,000
Brandt and and other authors like that

3634
02:51:31,620 --> 02:51:29,500
we're just kind of like making it up on

3635
02:51:33,300 --> 02:51:31,630
the fly and throwing in Lovecraft stuff

3636
02:51:35,340 --> 02:51:33,310
or Hollywood stuff and there wasn't a

3637
02:51:37,050 --> 02:51:35,350
whole lot of academic rigor there was a

3638
02:51:40,530 --> 02:51:37,060
lot more academic rigor now than there

3639
02:51:42,960 --> 02:51:40,540
used to be will your next book you're

3640
02:51:44,580 --> 02:51:42,970
reading this in in Twitter so you know

3641
02:51:47,370 --> 02:51:44,590
what's coming up who your next book be

3642
02:51:51,210 --> 02:51:47,380
about Jack Parsons ha ha stay tuned

3643
02:51:55,860 --> 02:51:51,220
that's all I'll say yeah you gotta love

3644
02:51:58,860 --> 02:51:55,870
the Internet last question is this and

3645
02:52:03,600 --> 02:51:58,870
and you know what and and so much has

3646
02:52:07,500 --> 02:52:03,610
been made about this over the years not

3647
02:52:09,660 --> 02:52:07,510
only from l ron Hubbard but others so

3648
02:52:14,219 --> 02:52:09,670
let's clear the air on this because I've

3649
02:52:17,490 --> 02:52:14,229
heard both sides did l ron hubbard ever

3650
02:52:20,010 --> 02:52:17,500
meet Chloe no he never did he never did

3651
02:52:21,300 --> 02:52:20,020
you know but neither did Parsons by the

3652
02:52:22,590 --> 02:52:21,310
way right they are they only

3653
02:52:24,990 --> 02:52:22,600
communicated by mail

3654
02:52:31,230 --> 02:52:25,000
so the three of them were never together

3655
02:52:35,940 --> 02:52:31,240
nope did l ron Hubbard say that he hung

3656
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:35,950
out with Crowley no oh okay so this is

3657
02:52:42,090 --> 02:52:37,930
all urban legend not that I know of I

3658
02:52:43,770 --> 02:52:42,100
mean Hubbard said I lost okay maybe

3659
02:52:45,540 --> 02:52:43,780
maybe he did and I don't know I mean I

3660
02:52:48,210 --> 02:52:45,550
haven't I'm not like a super

3661
02:52:49,500 --> 02:52:48,220
like he'll run Hubbard experts so right

3662
02:52:51,690 --> 02:52:49,510
not not to my knowledge

3663
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:51,700
okay now you might have no I I don't

3664
02:52:55,850 --> 02:52:54,010
know it's it's worth a Google search was

3665
02:52:59,831 --> 02:52:55,860
Crowley ever of

3666
02:53:01,370 --> 02:52:59,841
fan of Hubbard crow he hated Hubbard

3667
02:53:03,261 --> 02:53:01,380
Crowley

3668
02:53:05,450 --> 02:53:03,271
there's our infamous letter where he

3669
02:53:07,190 --> 02:53:05,460
says you know where because because

3670
02:53:10,041 --> 02:53:07,200
Parsons was you have to remember like

3671
02:53:11,390 --> 02:53:10,051
very I mean he was he wasn't that young

3672
02:53:13,791 --> 02:53:11,400
he was and he's old enough to know

3673
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:13,801
better but he was young enough that he

3674
02:53:18,350 --> 02:53:15,690
was still very naive and had stars in

3675
02:53:20,150 --> 02:53:18,360
his eyes and really believed it all and

3676
02:53:22,461 --> 02:53:20,160
was on drugs all the time he wasn't a

3677
02:53:24,770 --> 02:53:22,471
very grounded or rigorous person and in

3678
02:53:26,990 --> 02:53:24,780
fact he made a lot of mistakes in his

3679
02:53:29,211 --> 02:53:27,000
magic which are Grievous errors which I

3680
02:53:32,180 --> 02:53:29,221
write about in the book so he was kind

3681
02:53:34,910 --> 02:53:32,190
of sloppy but he was really taken in by

3682
02:53:36,410 --> 02:53:34,920
Hubbard who was able to convince him of

3683
02:53:38,751 --> 02:53:36,420
all this stuff convinced him that he was

3684
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:38,761
a great magician and you know just play

3685
02:53:43,280 --> 02:53:41,040
you know confidence trickster games with

3686
02:53:45,801 --> 02:53:43,290
Parsons and Parsons was too dumb to see

3687
02:53:47,091 --> 02:53:45,811
it but Crowley was not because Crowley

3688
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:47,101
had been around the block and it was

3689
02:53:50,690 --> 02:53:48,570
kind of like you know Crowley had done a

3690
02:53:52,940 --> 02:53:50,700
lot of that stuff himself so he he knew

3691
02:53:55,240 --> 02:53:52,950
what he was looking for and Crowley

3692
02:53:57,711 --> 02:53:55,250
wrote at one point you know like suspect

3693
02:53:59,360 --> 02:53:57,721
in two other rodeo people you know

3694
02:54:00,921 --> 02:53:59,370
suspect that jack has been taken in by

3695
02:54:03,230 --> 02:54:00,931
you know run-of-the-mill confidence

3696
02:54:05,390 --> 02:54:03,240
tricks and that type of thing by suspect

3697
02:54:08,511 --> 02:54:05,400
Ron that was Crowley's phrase for for

3698
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:08,521
Elrond suspect Ron now he was not a fan

3699
02:54:13,251 --> 02:54:10,410
of him are you looking at Twitter right

3700
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:13,261
now I want to ask you about lamb really

3701
02:54:22,820 --> 02:54:17,130
quick I don't know when yeah yes

3702
02:54:25,041 --> 02:54:22,830
infamous yeah the infamous and I I like

3703
02:54:28,970 --> 02:54:25,051
everybody else I look at lamb and I'm

3704
02:54:32,570 --> 02:54:28,980
certainly think that I'm looking at ET

3705
02:54:36,470 --> 02:54:32,580
I'm looking at a modern gray what do you

3706
02:54:39,131 --> 02:54:36,480
think lamb represents yeah so lamb for

3707
02:54:42,140 --> 02:54:39,141
those who don't know it so Crowley was

3708
02:54:44,390 --> 02:54:42,150
you know got decided to become an artist

3709
02:54:48,921 --> 02:54:44,400
at a certain point in his life and in

3710
02:54:50,301 --> 02:54:48,931
the nineteen tins he did magical working

3711
02:54:53,720 --> 02:54:50,311
with some of his students called the UM

3712
02:54:56,690 --> 02:54:53,730
elantra working to contact some dis

3713
02:54:59,600 --> 02:54:56,700
incarnate intelligences and around that

3714
02:55:03,081 --> 02:54:59,610
time or after that he drew a picture it

3715
02:55:05,001 --> 02:55:03,091
looks like dead-on like the modern you

3716
02:55:06,381 --> 02:55:05,011
know depictions of gray aliens it looks

3717
02:55:08,900 --> 02:55:06,391
like the cover of communion

3718
02:55:09,350 --> 02:55:08,910
it does it does fiber like dead on and

3719
02:55:13,610 --> 02:55:09,360
it's

3720
02:55:15,230 --> 02:55:13,620
never came out until the 80s right not

3721
02:55:16,790 --> 02:55:15,240
not the drawing but people didn't start

3722
02:55:19,011 --> 02:55:16,800
using that image of the great aliens

3723
02:55:21,440 --> 02:55:19,021
until the 80s it had and it became

3724
02:55:23,690 --> 02:55:21,450
obviously very popular in our culture in

3725
02:55:25,580 --> 02:55:23,700
the 80s and 90s and then actually quite

3726
02:55:26,930 --> 02:55:25,590
mysteriously just disappeared again I

3727
02:55:28,580 --> 02:55:26,940
mean you never see people talking about

3728
02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:28,590
the grey aliens anymore not like they

3729
02:55:32,120 --> 02:55:30,570
used to where it was like on everything

3730
02:55:33,860 --> 02:55:32,130
you know stickers on people's backpacks

3731
02:55:35,720 --> 02:55:33,870
like everywhere right and it just kind

3732
02:55:38,750 --> 02:55:35,730
of disappeared that was quite odd too

3733
02:55:41,051 --> 02:55:38,760
but but yeah but now we have this

3734
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:41,061
picture from the 1910s of a gray alien

3735
02:55:46,490 --> 02:55:44,010
being drawn by a guy who's spending all

3736
02:55:48,380 --> 02:55:46,500
of his time trying to contact non-human

3737
02:55:51,500 --> 02:55:48,390
intelligences well that's a little odd

3738
02:55:54,261 --> 02:55:51,510
but in terms of what lamb really is I

3739
02:55:57,640 --> 02:55:54,271
will give you one hint and one hint only

3740
02:56:00,590 --> 02:55:57,650
which is turn the picture upside down

3741
02:56:01,070 --> 02:56:00,600
and I'll tell you what it is but try it

3742
02:56:04,100 --> 02:56:01,080
yourself

3743
02:56:06,470 --> 02:56:04,110
oh man hold on a minute you're gonna

3744
02:56:10,040 --> 02:56:06,480
make me reverse this image okay I'll do

3745
02:56:10,490 --> 02:56:10,050
it right now okay all right let's do

3746
02:56:13,820 --> 02:56:10,500
that

3747
02:56:17,060 --> 02:56:13,830
let's see here it is I'm gonna do this

3748
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:17,070
in real time everybody all right let me

3749
02:56:31,100 --> 02:56:23,850
pull this into an editor and boom done

3750
02:56:41,900 --> 02:56:31,110
yes okay and here it is let's edit yes I

3751
02:56:48,610 --> 02:56:41,910
want to flip okay cut okay I've got it

3752
02:56:50,261 --> 02:56:48,620
upside down hmm

3753
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:50,271
[Music]

3754
02:56:55,460 --> 02:56:52,170
you might not want to say it on the

3755
02:57:00,239 --> 02:56:55,470
radio it's a little lewd

3756
02:57:01,889 --> 02:57:00,249
really you think so sure well yeah I'll

3757
02:57:07,939 --> 02:57:01,899
let people make their own conclusions

3758
02:57:12,119 --> 02:57:07,949
okay okay that's interesting that's uh

3759
02:57:14,819 --> 02:57:12,129
interest right okay all right could be

3760
02:57:18,859 --> 02:57:14,829
it's not as fun is well I don't know it

3761
02:57:21,899 --> 02:57:18,869
could be more fun I don't know if the

3762
02:57:23,729 --> 02:57:21,909
Jason fascinating conversation what

3763
02:57:25,199 --> 02:57:23,739
where are you gonna be speaking are you

3764
02:57:25,769 --> 02:57:25,209
gonna be I know you're doing your book

3765
02:57:27,479 --> 02:57:25,779
tour

3766
02:57:28,979 --> 02:57:27,489
are you still out doing that where

3767
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:28,989
you're gonna be speaking next yeah I

3768
02:57:33,599 --> 02:57:31,359
just got back from Seattle I'm hoping to

3769
02:57:36,659 --> 02:57:33,609
do an event in Los Angeles very shortly

3770
02:57:40,290 --> 02:57:36,669
no dates have not been announced but I

3771
02:57:42,330 --> 02:57:40,300
am doing stuff online all the time the

3772
02:57:45,330 --> 02:57:42,340
best place to find out about all of this

3773
02:57:47,309 --> 02:57:45,340
is Jason live.com and so there you can

3774
02:57:49,889 --> 02:57:47,319
see all of my social media please follow

3775
02:57:51,809 --> 02:57:49,899
me on social media to stay abreast of

3776
02:57:54,359 --> 02:57:51,819
what I'm up to you can see my school for

3777
02:57:56,040 --> 02:57:54,369
magic magic taught me where I have video

3778
02:57:58,590 --> 02:57:56,050
trainings in all of the stuff that we're

3779
02:58:01,109 --> 02:57:58,600
talking about astral projection chaos

3780
02:58:03,330 --> 02:58:01,119
magic yoga meditation and Enochian magic

3781
02:58:05,309 --> 02:58:03,340
at just this week released a class on

3782
02:58:08,790 --> 02:58:05,319
Enochian which is available for

3783
02:58:11,159 --> 02:58:08,800
everybody and there's also a free class

3784
02:58:14,010 --> 02:58:11,169
on magic it which is a seven-day email

3785
02:58:16,710 --> 02:58:14,020
class which contains podcasts and video

3786
02:58:18,599 --> 02:58:16,720
trainings and guided meditations and

3787
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:18,609
will tell you how to make you know do

3788
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:21,010
occult rituals and make signals and get

3789
02:58:26,399 --> 02:58:23,680
into do real meditation and everything

3790
02:58:28,469 --> 02:58:26,409
that you need to know to start and you

3791
02:58:30,330 --> 02:58:28,479
can get that very easily by the way all

3792
02:58:34,769 --> 02:58:30,340
you have to do to get that is text the

3793
02:58:38,699 --> 02:58:34,779
word shaman so sha and a and shaman to

3794
02:58:41,639 --> 02:58:38,709
the phone number 4 4 2 2 2 so it's the

3795
02:58:44,760 --> 02:58:41,649
fault the phone number 4 4 2 2 2 the

3796
02:58:46,619 --> 02:58:44,770
word shaman and it will just you know

3797
02:58:48,960 --> 02:58:46,629
text you back and ask you for your email

3798
02:58:50,969 --> 02:58:48,970
address and then once you put that in it

3799
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:50,979
will send you the class how's that for a

3800
02:58:56,279 --> 02:58:53,439
magic trick man that is total mystery

3801
02:58:59,250 --> 02:58:56,289
schools stuff going on for the modern

3802
02:59:01,529 --> 02:58:59,260
age well played my friend great

3803
02:59:03,809 --> 02:59:01,539
conversation tonight and I can't wait so

3804
02:59:07,390 --> 02:59:03,819
what we did tonight everybody I'll just

3805
02:59:10,660 --> 02:59:07,400
let you know we we did a lot of general

3806
02:59:13,270 --> 02:59:10,670
old conversation to get through parts of

3807
02:59:15,700 --> 02:59:13,280
this book but with Jason there is

3808
02:59:17,440 --> 02:59:15,710
everything else that he does that we can

3809
02:59:19,541 --> 02:59:17,450
go into at depth at a later date and

3810
02:59:21,341 --> 02:59:19,551
we're gonna do just that you know and I

3811
02:59:22,871 --> 02:59:21,351
forgot how could I forget I forgot to

3812
02:59:25,301 --> 02:59:22,881
mention in the book I forgot to plug the

3813
02:59:26,921 --> 02:59:25,311
book oh yeah how could I he's alright

3814
02:59:29,440 --> 02:59:26,931
so the book is called John D and the

3815
02:59:31,001 --> 02:59:29,450
empire of angels it has been blowing up

3816
02:59:31,871 --> 02:59:31,011
on Amazon it's already in its third

3817
02:59:34,301 --> 02:59:31,881
printing

3818
02:59:37,541 --> 02:59:34,311
it's a giant hardback and it's a it's a

3819
02:59:39,310 --> 02:59:37,551
beautiful book and so I'm a bit biased

3820
02:59:42,100 --> 02:59:39,320
but that's what people are telling me

3821
02:59:44,140 --> 02:59:42,110
and so you can just find that on Amazon

3822
02:59:46,211 --> 02:59:44,150
Google John or just look you know search

3823
02:59:48,251 --> 02:59:46,221
John Dee on Amazon a John Dee and the

3824
02:59:50,171 --> 02:59:48,261
Empire of Angels or there's a website

3825
02:59:52,751 --> 02:59:50,181
for it which is John Dee double-oh-seven

3826
02:59:55,570 --> 02:59:52,761
calm and that has all the options to

3827
02:59:58,660 --> 02:59:55,580
order it we have all of those links by

3828
03:00:02,140 --> 02:59:58,670
the way up at Jimmy Church radio.com

3829
03:00:05,261 --> 03:00:02,150
and you can go and get the book I highly

3830
03:00:08,381 --> 03:00:05,271
recommend it it is an amazing read jason

3831
03:00:09,881 --> 03:00:08,391
louvre amazing conversation that was

3832
03:00:12,461 --> 03:00:09,891
great thank you again for having me on

3833
03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:12,471
I'm greatly honored thank you Jason and

3834
03:00:16,180 --> 03:00:14,570
I can't wait to not only hang out we're

3835
03:00:17,740 --> 03:00:16,190
neighbors but I can't wait to get you

3836
03:00:20,980 --> 03:00:17,750
back on the show again thank you so much

3837
03:00:23,320 --> 03:00:20,990
thank you Jason Lou everybody I've got

3838
03:00:26,051 --> 03:00:23,330
it we took it to the the very end I've

3839
03:00:28,450 --> 03:00:26,061
got a roll credits and get out of here

3840
03:00:32,100 --> 03:00:28,460
great conversation tonight and the links

3841
03:00:34,930 --> 03:00:32,110
are up over at Jimmy Church radio calm

3842
03:00:37,121 --> 03:00:34,940
let's do this let's get out of here

3843
03:00:40,810 --> 03:00:37,131
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3844
03:00:42,730 --> 03:00:40,820
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03:00:53,860 --> 03:00:50,750
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03:01:12,461 --> 03:01:10,460
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3859
03:01:18,341 --> 03:01:16,040
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3860
03:01:20,189 --> 03:01:18,351
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3861
03:01:23,099 --> 03:01:20,199
tomorrow night right here they

3862
03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:23,109
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